Mod Plates For P Platers - stupid qld transport cant make its mind up !  

the_random_hero

This has always been the rule dude.

Protip: don't listen to a word ANYBODY at QT says. Grab a copy of the legislation yourself and go through it.

rot8me

QT is a JOKE ! they are impossible and if you got that sort of serivce that they provide you would never ever go back there.... but you have to so JAM IT !!!

minirobbie

thats what i had them send me now , and a new mod hand book as its been updated but they forgot to tell people. It just shits me that no two people can give you the same answer ! was more of a question as to what troubles people have been having with them

Burntsmoke

So a cage is allowed??

WinKE55

This has all ways been the law as stated above. No mod plate is allowed for "engine modifications"

Bucket seats, suspension, brakes should be all okay. Not sure about cage.. though I can't see why not.

Plus.. why put a cage in a P plater car.. when the thing doesn't have over 200kw..

xxxxgold

Straight from the horses mouth....

High powered vehicle means a car..... (with) a modification to the engine of a type that must be approved under the Transport Operations (Road Use Management—Vehicle Standards and Safety) Regulation 2010, section 13.

Burntsmoke

Drifting? safety? when i roll my car due to the usual p plate shenanigans i want to know i can survive..

rb2530_skyline

My gf bought a 1991 soarer, someone put a 2jzgte in it and we want to put it back to a 2jzge to make it standard, to take it back to standard. this will require a mod plate. is she allowed to drive it if shes on her p's?

xxxxgold

Yes it will legal for her to drive but I have to ask the question why? I know 3/8 of bugger all about Soarers but surely the more economical option would be to sell the turbo Soarer and buy a N/A one?

And no (in QLD anyway), it won't require a mod plate assuming the 2jzge was a factory option (I told you I know nothing about them!).

02GZM

You can have a mod plate as long as the code required isn't a LA# code.

It's always been like that... And it's discussed on here at least twice a week because ppl don't know how to search.
I bet trying to deal with QT for a few days was exciting. Especially when they gave you the wrong info in the end anyway (about the suspension mods).

truffles

This guy knows everything to do with P-platers and mod plates.

jebby88

Just to clear something up, if im on my P's and i have had an engine conversion in my car. Lets say a kingswood with a v6 in it. The converted engine is still under 200kw is it legal for me to drive?

truffles

No. Clown. If it is an engine the car didn't come with from factory then it requires a modplate and can't be driven by a P-plater. This is regardless of power.

the_random_hero

No. No engine conversions if they have to be mod plated.

Burntsmoke

That guy is a great bloke.

jebby88

ok thanks

WinKE55

Oh yes.. sorry I wasn't in my hoon state of mind.. haha. Makes a good point.




+1

HP Plod

My blurry eyes were thinknig someone beat me to it, and alas. (Bow in respect)

Here's a question i raised on a PM for you XXXX but got no reply so i'll open up to the masses. Do you beleive that this piece of legislation refers to what engine is in the car at the time and its modifications approved under a Mod plate. Or do you think it also means a conversion of an engine from one car to another requiring a mod plate. I have had this discussion before and I beleive that this is the case but many will argue or agree.

My argument refers to say V6 3.8L in a VB commodore driven by a p-plater, requires a mod plate and I'm of the beleife that it is not allowed of a p-plater

what do you think

B Unit

I'll take the 2J off her hands.

gutless

Dumbest shit
sell it
let someone actually appreciate a turbo 2j soarer

mark1414

Yes it would be much easier, cheaper and better. Never really understood why someone would buy a car they cant legally drive and then go to the effort + expensive of converting it back to something it originally came standard with.

EDIT: was the 2jz soarer that one on ebay a few weeks back at Capabala? If so it was very cheap.

truffles

The answer (Other learned boosters will agree) is that it is not P-Plate legal.


The engine must be model specific. In this case the VB Commodore. Considering this model only came with an inline six cylinder, the V6 is obviously not included.


It has to be model and chassis specific. Can't just through any old commodore engine under 200kw ind dri and drive off.

chris2far

so can I legally drive a r32 with a rb25 engine in it?

jish

I thought this was common knowledge by now???

TwinCam16

Let's start at the basics.

Penis plater rules aside for a moment.

For a conversion to be legal without a mod plate it is required to be a factory fitted option of that year of manufacture. If the conversion is done, then all relevant safety aspects must also be converted to equal or greater than the factory items of that motors origin.

So let's look at your example of a ecoleb into a VB.

1st question, was the v6 a factory fitted option to that vehicle (vb) in the year of manufacture (1979 from memory)
Answer - No.
Result - Requires a mod plate LA1 (I'm 90% sure that is the code in this instance.

Now factor in the p plate requirements.

P platers are not allowed to drive a vehicle that has had a performance modification that requires certification. Because the above listed conversion requires a LAx code on the mod plate, it is therefore not legal.

The 200kw part of the rule is totally irrelevant in this instance.

mark1414

Thats true, but realistically it should be based on power to weight ratios (anyone know if QLD will follow NSW etc) Its pretty lame for P platers if they can drive a more fuel efficient and more reliable motor with hardly anymore power than stock.

TwinCam16

Couldn't agree more.

The p plate laws were rushed though quickly by politicians that have no idea about fixing an issue.

They just needed to be seen as doing something at the time.

truffles

A series one Rb25de. Yes.

TwinCam16

I think that one is more a question of pride than legality.

gutless

Any rb25de
be it non vct,S1,S2 or Neo

chris2far

sick, does a change of exhUst manifold require a mod plate?


Or what if I buy. Rolling rb25det shell and put a rb25de in it?

mark1414

Yes you can do that.

truffles

To my knowledge, and this is 100% technically in-depth. The N-VCT Rb25de was not offered (or existed) when it was optioned on the R32. Subsequently, a later rb25 is not offered on that chassis. No one would give a rats about that, but following everything to the letter of the law then it's true.

TwinCam16

Do me a favor.

Before you make a total cock of yourself, do some searching.

And please, learn how to fucking spell.