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Bobbie88
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Post #1 post 10th July 2004 - 02:52 AM
well i was wondering if anyone would be able to give me any advice on this topic..
i was cruising around with my brother in his 1997 holden rodeo tray back..and we came to a set of lights that was on a steep hill. it was raining..and because my brother had nothing on the tray of his ute it gave no traction to the back wheels so they just started spinning. so he got up it changed to second... stayed in the same spot. changed to 3.. stayed in the same spot. changed to 4th and started slowing moving forawrd and then got to fith and the car was going about 20klms.so as soon as he got traction he went back down the gears and he was fine but i reckon we where sitting on the hill for about 20 seconds.. and a guy and his girlfriend whre sitting behind us in a series 4/5 rx-7 laughing thier heads off.. i was wondering if he could have done anything that would have made the car get traction quicker..
sorry about the long post.
thanks

ps. i dont want any smartass comments only positive

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R34-GTR
Post #2

Some people put lead weights in their cars to get some better traction... But i was wheel spinning all over the place today in my corolla and not on purpose...

Bobbie88
Post #3

yeh well thanks i was thinking thatif he put wider tires on becuase at the moment they are the standard cheese cutter shit...i reckon that they should come standard with 225 or wider tires because i think that, it is just way to dangerous.. he has to drive about 20klm/h every where he goes otherwise he just slides out and shit.. but yeh how much better traction would he recieve out of a new set of bigger tyres

R34-GTR
Post #4

Bigger rims/tyres would give better traction but it would come down to the quality of the tyre and rubber itself... And also, some tyres are specifically made for traction in the wet...

crazy_bunny
Post #5

reminds me of a not so fun incident trying to pull into traffic in the rain......i pulled out and started spinning REALLY bad and the dude behjind me breaked hard and slid behind me, till i got traction abotu 30 meters later........I got a decent set of tyres and it cut it down a bit but yer to standard tyers are absolute shit

prophecy
Post #6

subs biggrin.gif lots of subs and huge sub boxes and fat people in the back

MR2_On_Boost
Post #7

maybe even just getting a new set of tyres with a bit of tread

Bobbie88
Post #8

thanks guys i sugested to him shove a compresoor and a couple more tool boxes and fill the toolboxes full nails or something

NISMO_31
Post #9

Yeah, I only get traction if i'm off boost. As soon as it hits boost, LSD doesn't do shit in the wet except for going sideways thumbsup.gif Hill starts are a pain in my car aswell.

Just try some wider rubber (decent sort of brand) and see how it goes.

Bobbie88
Post #10

yeh well if he was going up a hill and was in second he gave the acerlarator that bit more to shove it into 3rd he would just start bagging them... pain in the arse i say..boost would be a bitch, i can imagine

Bobbie88
Post #11

is their anything else that he could have done with the gears.. like eased off the gas so the wheels wherent rotating as much so that tractin would kick in earlier.. im not sure... any sugestions would be arieciated

Post #12

yes he would have gotten up it by going slowly and not spinning the wheels. As soon as you change up the gears the wheel speed just increases its not gonna get anymore grip. What he should do is soon as it spins is release the accelerator but keep it in gear just so the engine nearly stalls (if its a diesel even better) the wheels will now be moving very slow and should grip. As you now have traction you can apply some power slowly. So the idea is to stop the wheels spinning, which means low rpm and some torque.

This is what i do in slippery mud in my paddock basher and it works well.

Sambro
Post #13

yeh, leave it in first, let the wheels spin as slow as you can without stalling

unless you wanna have fun.. in which case do what he did... wiggle.gif

avalonea
Post #14

I try not to drive when its been raining in my s13 much smile.gif

after it hasnt rained for a while . stuff like that isnt common . the first batch of rain makes all the oil caught in the road come to the serface and creates a slippyer road

`josh

hi_lux
Post #15

dude its a common problem in utes. even my diesel hilux does it, and ive got 33x12.5 tyres. Trick is dont change gears. Just stay in first, and try to bring the revs down to a bare minimum.

Euro $tyle
Post #16

hits some sand/cement bags in teh back, or just go buy some 20kg weights and put bout few of them in the back

hi_lux
Post #17

QUOTE (Mr Merc @ Jul 11 2004, 12:15 AM)
hits some sand/cement bags in teh back, or just go buy some 20kg weights and put bout few of them in the back

theres not really much point lugging around extra weight in the back on the slight chance of rain dude.

utes can be hairy in the wet, especially with skinny tyres, just dont rev it/gun it too much, and it will be right. giving it a gun on a hill and changing gears will just increase your problem.

i got a mate with a 383 maloo ute with a brass button clutch and ive been in his car in the rain, no probs.

Drew82
Post #18

a mate of mine had a stocko series 2 VS maloo.. we where cruising down the highway once in the wet.. had been for about an hour in the rain.. then all of a sudden we were facing the way we came from wheels still spinning forwards..

he didnt get into at all.. it just turned around.. the old lady behind us pulled up and almost had a heart attack. i think she was more shaken by it then we were.

Ma77Y
Post #19

ok i cant be bothered read all thoughs posts here what i had in my ute to get better traction ( i was a xf falcon with a 305 in it) I got wider tyres and had a lead plates in the tray of the ute with my tool boxs ( with tools) but it depends on how he took off as well....

Terrible One
Post #20

I find it impossible to even touch the accelerator in the wet without facing a gutter, I've got to idle everywhere.

17SLO
Post #21

try taking off in second - why most european cars have winter mode which locks the transmission in second gear and higher to help reduce wheelspin

oh yeah and clutch controll helps - they are buttons or anything

Paolo
Post #22

I wish my ute had a traction problem!! It wont even spin in the wet! No skids isnt fun sad.gif

secrutioner
Post #23

i got new tyres the other day and now its particularily hard to spin wheels.... when off boost anyway.... happy.gif

SkiDMaN
Post #24

i found out yesturday that 270hp or so doesnt mix with the wet... although i do enjoy the smell of tyres smoking at 80ks/h
think its the last time my car will see the wet roads... pointless driving rolleyes.gif

Petey

Kayboom
Post #25

as said by josh, the main reason he couldnt get traction is because it hasnt rained for a long time and the oil build up on the road gets all wet and pretty dangerious..

if it rained more regulary u most likely wouldnt have had much of a problem.

you could have tried starting in a higher gear when going up the hill so the revs where lower..

Nutting wrong wit a bit of wheel spin anyhow thumbsup.gif seems like the guy behind you enjoyed the show and didnt mind waiting for use to move ur ass sideways up the hill

March_Hare
Post #26

tell your brother to have some throttle control (Not a smart arsed comment). If he had to pull away in 2nd gear doing 1500rpm, do so. If you are struggling for grip because of the reduction in weight on the rear, you will find wider tyres will have a negative effect. If you increase the surface area you are decreasing the load per square inch on the tyre which will reduce friction. People seem to think that the wider the wheels are, the better traction they provide. It's a bunch of crap, if you dont have weight on the wheels it is useless, contact area isnt all there is to creating more friction.

Sovereign V12
Post #27

QUOTE (17SLO @ Jul 11 2004, 11:44 AM)
try taking off in second - why most european cars have winter mode which locks the transmission in second gear and higher to help reduce wheelspin

oh yeah and clutch controll helps - they are buttons or anything

I was gonna suggest the same thing as a few auto cars have transmission controllers ie on my nissan it has a switch where at the top is power middle is auto and bottom is called snow (2nd gear start) and on my Jag it has D2, D1 and L D2 starts in 2nd ehich is says in the workshop manual is good for snow and has a kickdown to 1st if u floor it, D1 starts in first (normal driving) and L starts in 1st but only upshifts to 2nd and won't go any higher (good for engine braking)

Drew82
Post #28

QUOTE (X35 LRO @ Jul 11 2004, 06:15 AM)
( i was a xf falcon with a 305 in it)

ROFL....

Comedy Gold biggrin.gif

SilverSZ
Post #29

doesn't this scare anybody else?

Drew82
Post #30

what are we being scared about?

OverDose
Post #31

in my falcon (sedan) in the wet i spun out into the oncomming lane taking it easy, i was sitting in the oncomming lane.. couldnt get traction for a while

this was on a main road, close call

prophecy
Post #32

QUOTE (Drew82 @ Jul 11 2004, 03:41 PM)
what are we being scared about?

gypsies

Drew82
Post #33

i thought i was suppose to be scared of the dude who thinks he had a 305 in an XF tongue.gif

Capriv8
Post #34

im pretty sure he knew what he was up to, chopping through the gears wouldnt make him move forward any quicker at all. in that situation i would just take off with low revs, in first and keep them low (2500ish) until the wheelspin has stopped. easy stuff.

on a different note, i got my corolla spinning in 3rd in the wet the other day at about 60kph. not bad for a p.o.s laugh.gif

the best skid ive done in the wet would have to be when i was driving an old model xr6 (twin round headlight model) and was doing about 80k on the motorway. i wanted to cane past a truck i was following so i could beat it onto the offramp so i floored it, i barely started gaining on him and began pulling into the right lane to pass him, then the back end just sort of slid out and we started to go sideways! turns out i was wheelspinning the whole time biggrin.gif
not bad for a family car, 4 people up!

Bobbie88
Post #35

my brother is not very exprienced with the ute as of yet becuase he has been driving a vl around(auto) so he isnt the best manual driver. but he also said he has trouble getting up a slighter steeper hill without any wetness. thank you for all the comments.
he had the impression that if he went up through the gears as the wheels are already spinning the revs wills get lower as he go up through the gears there fore gaining traction. but il suggest what everyone has said to him and we will see what happens. i was soo close to getting out and sitting on the tray.
thanks everyone

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