Bike Rider / Cyclist Hit By Car - Krawler's dash-cam strikes again!  

Mcleod
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Post #1 post 18th March 2014 - 10:05 AM
TRK / Krawler's been making the news with this one tongue.gif



Pretty shocking incident...

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A CYCLIST is lucky to be alive after being knocked from his bike south of Brisbane, with the sickening collision caught on camera.

The video, posted online, shows a white Audi hatchback collide with the back of the cyclist after he set off from an intersection at the Mains Rd on-ramp at Mt Gravatt when the traffic light turned green last Friday afternoon.

The bike’s back wheel is seen to be pulled under the car, knocking the cyclist on to the road.

He managed to avoid going under any wheels and escaped with a sore neck, hips, elbows and cuts and bruises.

Andrew Ison, who posted the video on YouTube after capturing it on his dashboard camera, said the cyclist’s helmet broke on impact, but he appeared to be “OK”.

“Anyone familiar with the area will recognise that set of traffic lights as being a bit of a mad scramble,” Mr Ison wrote on social media.

“People dive into the temporary lane to get in front of the queue.”

He went on to report that it appeared the driver had been checking traffic behind her when the crash happened.

“This is meant only as a warning to car drivers to pay attention when driving near cyclists,” Mr Ison said.

He said the driver stopped immediately, later giving a written statement to police.

“This isn’t meant as a witch hunt ... The driver stopped immediately and was very apologetic and did what they could to assist the rider,” he wrote online.

Mr Ison told The Courier-Mail he returned the broken bike to the injured cyclist after getting a phone call from him confirming he was fine, but declined to comment further.


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Faun-
Post #2

I know this sounds harsh but why should we be made to check for bikes on the road built for cars. she was obviously shoulder checking because she is about to merge and doesnt want to hit a car
but instead hits a dickhead that's riding a push bike in the middle of her lane. if they dont want to get hit by cars dont ride on roads. if you dont want to get bitten by a shark dont go swimming if you dont want to get burnt dont play with fire.

Special k
Post #3

I'm not sure how it is in qld, but in nsw unless it's an actual bike path, cyclists aren't allowed to ride on the footpath. legally they have to be on the road.
there's a few ins and outs etc. You wouldn't make a child ride on the road of course

Faun-
Post #4

QUOTE (Special k @ Mar 18 2014, 12:46 PM) *
I'm not sure how it is in qld, but in nsw unless it's an actual bike path, cyclists aren't allowed to ride on the footpath. legally they have to be on the road.
there's a few ins and outs etc. You wouldn't make a child ride on the road of course

pretty ridiculous. I dont mind them riding in the middle of no where. but when there is a group of them blocking a lane in an 80 and im made to sit behind them doing 40 untill its safe enough for me to swing into the other lane just shits me. I often sit right on there ass and hold the horn on. I dont care what anyone says. I dont think someones hobby should have to affect my life in anyway. I mean how can you feel manly wearing that shit anyway lol

Mcleod
Post #5

Yeah... uhm.. you're a bit mental Faun-

Not sure what else to say!

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How about, rather than responding to your absolutely nutty point of view, I ask you this:

As a car enthusiast I am sure that you've driven on the road as part of a large group of cars, has that "hobby" of yours ever impacted other motorists?

If you feel like being enlightened:

http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/3857163.htm

Faun-
Post #6

i dont think my point of view is too ridiculous. i think the majority of drivers dislike cyclists.
im not saying go out and be a noob and run into them. im just saying there f'king annoying lol

NOS440
Post #7

QUOTE (Faun- @ Mar 18 2014, 12:52 PM) *
pretty ridiculous. I dont mind them riding in the middle of no where. but when there is a group of them blocking a lane in an 80 and im made to sit behind them doing 40 untill its safe enough for me to swing into the other lane just shits me. I often

sit right on there ass and hold the horn on. I dont care what anyone says. I dont think someones hobby should have to affect my life in anyway.

I mean how can you feel manly wearing that shit anyway lol


there you go, if you are so against bike riders and how they affect your life, with what one could take as being frustration, how about raising your concerns with your local MP. That is after all how the ball got rolling with the vitriol against car enthusiasts/hoons whose behaviour brought down the ire of the community. Basically the same coin, just the other side

mark1414
Post #8

QUOTE (Faun- @ Mar 18 2014, 12:40 PM) *
I know this sounds harsh but why should we be made to check for bikes on the road built for cars. she was obviously shoulder checking because she is about to merge and doesnt want to hit a car
but instead hits a dickhead that's riding a push bike in the middle of her lane.

if they dont want to get hit by cars dont ride on roads. if you dont want to get bitten by a shark dont go swimming if you dont want to get burnt dont play with fire.


That's a really stupid argument. I have been going to Nathan campus for 5+ years and drive through that exact intersection 3 or 4 times a week. The white Audi knew the bike rider was in front of them because they sat at the lights for a few minutes looking at the bike riders ass. The Audi driver was impatient, most people know that lane cuts out right after the lights but every single day some self important person uses it and half the time they cant merge properly wrecking the flow of traffic. If you know a slow bike/person/car/bus whatever is in front of you when your trying to merge you pay extra attention. Also it looked to me like the rider was maintaining a constant pace so no excuses about them braking at the wrong time etc.

AKAIK it's illegal for bike riders to ride on the FOOTPATH. Not to mention if that rider did it would take them about 10 minutes to get through those lights and while they were riding on the footpath they would be interfering with students and any number of other people.

Your example of not wanting to get bitten by a shark dont go swimming and if you dont want to get burnt dont play with fire is stupid. Those are things and animals without rational thought. If a person plows into the back of you while your driving along is it your fault? Don't want to get crashed into don't drive on the road. I hate bike riders as much as the next person but they don't deserve to be ran over when they are obeying the law and actually doing the courteous thing by using the cut off line which should not inconvenience anyone except impatient drivers trying to get 3 cars ahead.

_Ben
Post #9

It amazes me that people can take the cars side in this situation.

xr6greg
Post #10

Not illegal to ride a pushie on the footpath in Qld.

wolfman101
Post #11

I am inclined to think that if there is a class of road user that just by their existence is so fragile, so vulnerable to harm, and that makes up such a tiny minority, that they need SPECIAL SIGNS and SPECIAL TRAINING to be given to the vast majority of regular people going about their lives whom they inconvenience in order to not be killed, that perhaps they shouldn't be allowed to share the roads in the first place.
That was a very long sentence.

rus_s13
Post #12

QUOTE (wolfman101 @ Mar 19 2014, 10:08 PM) *
I am SPECIAL

That was a very long sentence.


You said the same thing about motorcylists in a thread a while back; What is this "special training" you speak of?

I don't think you spelt 'due care and attention' properly.

NOS440
Post #13

obviously no due care and attention was taken in the spelling

Mcleod
Post #14

wolfman101...

total fail...

I guess you'd apply same logic to all classes of scooters and motorbikes?

Most cyclists have a car license, it's not like they have no clue....

fearlesss
Post #15

I don't agree with Faun exactly,
However I don't think we should have to put up with cyclists in the middle of a lane period. If you are going to use the road at least drive on the left hand side as far off the road as you can. Why should everyone else have to drop 20-30 ks below the speed limit for you ?

For all of those people on the pro bike argument. How would you feel about a car that constantly drove half the speed limit ? You would be ranting and raving like the rest of us.

If you want to use the road, then at least move aside so people can pass you.

wolfman101
Post #16

Ros, No S440 and McC:
Yes, I feel precisely the same about scooters and motorbikes, as I have had out many times (usually with Drav) in the past.
I'm nothing if not consistent.

By "special training" I mean the various driver education programs that have been done at various times around the world to increase awareness of cyclists by other drivers. Why is it needed? Why should a level of attention above and beyond what is perfectly adequate for 99% of road users be required just to cater to that 1%?

McC:
I am in no way suggesting that cyclists don't understand the road rules, or are careless. Quite the opposite. I am sure that they are very aware of their vulnerability and are hyper-vigilant as a consequence. I would be too.

That doesn't mean that they don't FREQUENTLY choose to disobey the rules that inconvenience them, are not harder to see by their intrinsic nature and are not by an inherent property of the way they choose to get around an inconvenience to the vast majority of road users.

rus_s13
Post #17

"Why should a level of attention above and beyond what is perfectly adequate for 99% of road users be required just to cater to that 1%?"

It could have been a slow moving HR vehicle in front of the Audi - she still would have hit it.

The bike didn't slow down, she knew it was there and obviously completely misjudged her speed and hit an object directly in-front of her while looking the other way.

No special training required there beyond that of a driver negotiating any other type of vehicle...

wolfman101
Post #18

Yes, that is a derp person who would likely have hit a car, bus, or unimog too.

vk134
Post #19

Basic observation, it was a clusterfk driver, just could not manage the necktop computer with the moderating speed and observation for the merge. I ride as though every fkr is driving like that, never ever do the tour de france pull in front "I have rights" death wish for this exact reason.
All it takes is missing a gear or component failure and you are gone unless driver behind is switched on. I have had a close call like this once when riding in traffic in Stockholm, I realised I had to get across to the other lane, so I though I would take a punt dusting some nan in a saab, all went well until just clear of the intersection, well in front, changed gears, peddaling like hell and the spokes decided that they would think it would be fun to shear off 1 by 1. I only just managed to get it across instead of becoming a radiator badge for the Scania truck that had the same idea of where it wanted to go.

Shuffs
Post #20

So,it looks like things are about to change

A metre matters to tune of $330

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Queensland motorists caught driving within one metre of cyclists will be fined $330 and lose three demerit points under a two-year trial due to start next month.

Drivers will be forced to give cyclists one metre clearance when passing in 40km/h, 50km/h and 60km/h zones.

Where the speed limit is higher than 60km/h, motorists will be required to give cyclists 1.5 metre clearance when passing.

But motorists will be able to cross double white lines, when it is safe to do so, in order to pass a cyclist.

Transport Minister Scott Emerson committed to the one metre clearance trial in January, but did not announce the penalty that would be imposed on motorists caught breaking the new rules until Thursday.

The penalty is the same for drivers caught running a red light, or failing to stop at a stop sign.

However, it is much less than the $4400 fine proposed by a parliamentary committee which examined cycling laws last year.

Mr Emerson said he had chosen "a very sensible approach" by setting a two-year trial for the safe passing law, so the government could review it and see if it created the change it wanted.

"What I am trying to achieve with these rule changes is an attitudinal change," he said.

"I think most motorists and cyclists do the right things but unfortunately some cyclists and motorists do the wrong thing and they don't want to do share the road.

"Unfortunately, over last year, we saw 13 cyclists killed and that number has been increasing year after year.

"So we are looking for sensible approaches, but hopefully also

[receive] an attitudinal change."

He told Fairfax Radio 4BC the government was "bringing in the rules that have been in place in other parts of the world, including Europe and America’’.

Thirteen cyclists were killed on Queensland roads last year, he said.

‘‘This is about improving safety for cyclists.

‘‘There’s always people who will be arguing that we’re being too fair to cyclists, or unfair to motorists, and cyclists would argue the opposite.


‘‘What we’re trying to achieve with this trial is ... an attitudinal change. I suspect that most motorists already do the right thing and they keep a safe distance from cyclists.

‘‘But there are some cyclists out there doing the wrong thing, there are some motorists out there doing the wrong thing.’’

Tracey Gaudry, the chief executive of advocacy group the Amy Gillett Foundation, which has been a major proponent of the ‘‘a metre matters’’ campaign applauded the move but said the trial should be supported by a public education campaign.

“It’s critical for the trial to be supported by a funded education campaign, advising the community of the change, why it is needed and how easy it is to support. After all, it is about people’s lives,’’ she said.

Mr Emerson said penalties for cyclists caught breaking road rules would also be increased to match the fines faced by motorists for the same offence.

Currently cyclists are fined $110 for running a red light, while motorists face a $330 fine.

‘‘It doesn’t seem sensible to me that for the same crime you get a different penalty ... so we are increasing the penalties for cyclists for breaking the same rules as motorists,’’ Mr Emerson said.

The announcement comes after a 25-year-old woman was suspended from driving for three months and fined $600 after mowing down a cyclist in Brisbane’s south last Friday.

Footage of the crash, captured by a passing vehicle’s dashboard camera, shows the driver of a white Audi hatchback hitting the male cyclist as he sets off from a set of traffic lights at Mt Gravatt.

The 56-year-old male cyclist was taken to hospital where he was treated for minor injuries.

The parliamentary inquiry began in June last year after MP Bruce Flegg called for an examination of road rules following the death of 25-year-old Richard Pollett, who was killed by a cement truck while cycling on Moggill Road on September 27, 2011.

The committee made 68 recommendations, including raising the fine for motorists who did not leave a sensible passing distance to $4400 and eight demerit points.

"I just thought that wasn't sensible or reasonable," Mr Emerson said.

"The fine will now be $330 and 3 demerit points - about the equivalent of going 20 kilometres over the speed limit."

Motorists could be privy to on the spot fines, but cyclists will also be able to make a complaint after the event, as long as they evidence, be it from a camera or witnesses, to back it up.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland...0320-354b7.html

wolfman101
Post #21

Well, there goes the ability to not be doing 15 KMPH in Kangaroo Point.

aaron.
Post #22

f'king ridiculous.
Do they even realise how long a metre is?

mark1414
Post #23

QUOTE (aaron. @ Mar 22 2014, 12:33 PM) *
f'king ridiculous.
Do they even realise how long a metre is?


Is the answer a metre?

NOS440
Post #24

1000mm?
100cm?

3.33ft?

buggered if I know

vk134
Post #25

fN METER, Oh great you spankers who have made new estates and access roads with 3m wide roads, so we will be limited to cyclists speeds, good fn luck quantifying that distance for a prosecution.

.Tim.
Post #26

a baseball bat is a meter long... or close enough to... I'll attach one to the side of my car, if I miss the poofter I will know it was a safe distance smile.gif

eXo
Post #27

ok I'll chime in and back wolfman to a degree..

I assume here's where it happened for the lycralist
-27.549758, 153.065600

And lookie lookie, a bikepath!! if this location is correct then YES its the riders fault. He should GTF off the road and stick to those paths.

This whole 1m safe distance is crap in our already badly planned roads. Just a shortcut idea to get votes perhaps?

I like the idea of a bat hanging out the side, it's a win win !

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