Modification Plate La3  

mark1414

Yeah mate it is. Should be able to get it done for $150.

billy.r08

Yeah :S fair enough his mobile but that's ridiculous

leadfoot

is your car a diesel? if not you don't want la3. my cars off the road ATM because of that damn code!

g16pulsar

Correct me if I'm wrong.... But LA3 = Turbocharger and Supercharger Installation

batcho101

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/veh...1jan2011_v3.pdf

usual price is 150 for the first mod and plate then 50 bucks for each additional code

batcho101

if its an engine conversion and non standard turbo it will be listed as LA1 opt 3

TwinCam16

Correct.



Incorrect.

g16pulsar

Care to elaborate where I was wrong twincam?

w4yn0

Last time I looked it up, LA3 was for diesel engines. However NCOP has been adopted in QLD since 1/11/2012 and i cant seem to find the mention of diesel engines in the NCOP LA section.

TwinCam16

Explain to me what LA3 is for and where it has reference to it in the code.

leadfoot

was just looking over the ncop and w4yn0 is right in the ncop a turbo/super charger install does not specifically separate diesel engines from petrol for this modification code.

also to note code LT3 does not currently apply to qld due to the lack of im240 testing ability may have changed. i can't remember where i found that tidbit of info)

boot_it

All engineers have until march to get the im240 testing equipment or have access to it ...

Adam's Pit Stop

can get it done mate call 0423616466

g16pulsar

Page 4
http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/Safety/V...on3afeb2004.pdf

Page 29
http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/veh...1jan2011_v3.pdf

I assumed this was the case because my car did not come from factory with turbocharger installed and now has one and the only code on my mod plate is "LA3" I'm no expert twincam and not trying to start shit.

leadfoot

when did you get your plate though if you got it pre nov 1 2012 you have the wrong code!

batcho101

La1 opt 3 pre November and also up to April next year for the grace period. Must also have a q in front of it if done during the grace period. Then from April will be la1 opt 3 for engine conversions with non standard turbo/super charger or la3 for non standard turbo/supercharge on a standard manufacturer engine.


edit - This is my understanding from talking with my engineer on in october last year

batcho101

But yay for NCOp tubs and rear clip are now able to be plated. Sweet dreams IRS

g16pulsar

Straight from ncop website: http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/veh...1jan2011_v3.pdf

FICATIONS COVERED UNDER CODE LA3
The following modifications may be performed under Code LA3:
 Fitting of turbochargers or superchargers not originally offered by the engine or vehicle manufacturer.
MODIFICATIONS NOT COVERED UNDER CODE LA3
The following is a summary of the modifications that may not be performed under Code LA3:
 Fitting of replacement engines already fitted with a turbocharger or supercharger by the engine manufacturer (these are usually covered by Code LA2); and
 Fitting of turbochargers or superchargers that cause the vehicle not to meet the required gaseous emission standards.

1 CERTIFICATION OPTIONS
Forced induction conversions such as turbocharging or supercharging have the capacity to substantially increase a vehicle’s power and performance and are generally considered on the same basis as a performance engine conversion.
The following are the options for certifying turbocharger and supercharger installations:
 A turbocharger (or supercharger) installation does not require certification, if the installation is available as an option from the original vehicle manufacturer. All vehicle components that were supplied by the manufacturer as part of the original specification for the turbocharged vehicle must also be fitted.
 A turbocharger (or supercharger) installation can be performed under Code LA1 only if the original engine was supplied with a turbocharged option and a non original equipment turbocharger (or supercharger) is fitted that does not increase the original most powerful engine power output by more than 20%.
 A non original equipment engine with its turbocharger/supercharger may be installed under Code LA1 provided the power output is not 20% more than the most powerful optional engine offered by the manufacturer for that vehicle model.
 A turbocharger (or supercharger) installation can be performed under Code LA2 only if the original engine was supplied with a turbocharged option and a non original equipment turbocharger (or supercharger) is fitted that increases the original most powerful engine power output by more than 20%.
A non original engine with its turbocharger/supercharger may be installed under Code LA2 if the power output is 20% more than the most powerful optional engine offered by the manufacturer for that vehicle model.
All other turbocharger and supercharger installations will require certification under Code LA3.

Sorry for the huge post but just wanted point tobe made. I think the la3 code on my car is correct. Standard manufacturer engine with non standard turbo installed. No option from manufacturer.

TwinCam16

Depends, was your car done under the NCOP rules or the previous rules?

If it was done under NCOP, it would appear you are correct. Under the old rules it would be incorrect.

g16pulsar

Well that's where it's confusing I guess.! I can't be sure. I purchased the car like that and I think the plate was done around 2005-06. So what would you say twincam?

TwinCam16

I know, it's a fkn minefield!

05 06 would not be NCOP, therefore i would say yours was done incorrectly.

g16pulsar

The main thing was I thought that the,
la1 opt3 applied to engines that were optioned with turbo/sc from the factory like a 3.8 commodore / or an sr20.
And la3 was for vehicles that had turbo/SC fitted that weren't optioned from factory as in my case with the ga16de+t( I know laugh it up)

Thanks twincam, so my car as it sits with the la3 code would or would not be compliant with the ncop CODE? I may need it rectified, and sorry to hijack your thread OP

leadfoot

You mod plate will have a date on it if your blue plate has a date before 1/11/12 then no your car is not compliant. And you should be looking at correcting the discrepancy or you may find yourself with a defect notice or your insurance voided. I warn you though getting the plate removed is a very involved process and vehicle standards and regulation will only deal with engineers when it comes to removing plates. I am currently in the process of removing a plate so I can complete and plate other work. And so far it's taken 3 months

leadfoot

Your car will be an la3 code under NCOP but as said if the date is before1/11/12 the. It's non compliant as it sits

g16pulsar

Thanks for the heads up mate ill look in to it ASAP! But it's strange because since I've owned the car (2007-today) I've been through more inspection sites with TMR people (and their books) than I can count and nothing has ever been said?!? Isn't that weird?

leadfoot

nah not really because most of the time if they ask to see the plate all they want to see is that it's there. and probably didn't tkae much notice of the actual codes i drove around on my incorrect plate for about a year. and only once i wanted to do more stuff and sent vehicle standard and regulation a photo of the plate as part of my application (thinking i was doing the right thing) did something get said about it

TwinCam16

That's a very ignorant way of looking at it.

Until that one day when you have an issue and involved some freak accident and traffic investigators are involved.

leadfoot

twin i wasn't trying to say oh yeah just go driving on the wrong coded plate. the only reason i did was because i trusted the mod plater knew what the hell he was doing when they put the plate on the car.

so during that year i thought i was fine had i had an accident and my insurance was cancelled i would have been livid and would be in serious talks with the person/company that plated my car as to why it was incorrect.

the point i was making is that he's been through inspections etc and wondered why it hadn't been picked up. i suggest they probably havn't been taking any notice of the actual code. which they should be.

chances are had i not sent a photo of my mod plate into vehicle standards and regulation the work i want to do would already be approved (along with the details of the engine swap as they too were on the application) and the car would be plated engineer and on the road. and still driving around on the wrong code. while it's an annoyance that i have to go through the process of getting it removed i'm glad it was picked up. clause in the insurance is unlimited legal modifications wrong code = illegal = no cover I'd rather the head screw than no cover

zuboo

La3 is fine under the old code for turboing
The old standard used was the qld code of practice, Which can be found below, I'm on an IPad so unable to copy and paste but go to the link below and go to page 32 you will see it's fine for petrol and diesel.

http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/~/media/Safety/V...ctionsPart1.pdf

TwinCam16

Actually you are wrong, very wrong.

You are only reading what you want to...

zuboo

The part you have missed is the refer part but now you starting another argument about another thing. First off it was said that the LA 3 code was for diesel vehicles only which it clearly is not.

For the next part you highlighted, it says refer to La1 for allowable modifications. What it means is you car needs to comply with La1 and La3. La1 has alot of info with whats required with a power incress and the modification that are required with brake upgrades, the most important part that is used is the tables with weights and weather it is turbed or not, it might requires disk brakes fitted all the way round if it came with drums and so on, you can only turbo a car at a set weight and engine size. Thats why you need to refer to LA1, but La3 is the code and standard for turbo and Supercharger. La1 is only used to refer too, making sure you have the right exhaust, brakes, weight of vehicle to engine size.

TwinCam16

No, I have not mentioned Diesel.

I have stated that in his situation LA3 is the incorrect code.

Which it is, under these rules, LA3 would not be applicable to a passenger (generally speaking) this reserved for commercial "type" vehicles. utes vans 4x4 etc etc

You clearly stated above that he is ok with LA3 when clearly he isn't. LA3 has no bearing what so ever on any vehicle that the class does not match.

Twat In The Hat

Boom goes the dynamite.

TwinCam16

It says they are also covered in THIS code and MAY be installed in compliance with LA3,

If the vehicle does not comply with the requirements of LA3 then it's not relevant