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30th July 2011 - 08:28 PM
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E.Honda
Post #37
the alloy tech isn't a bad a motor by any stretch of the imagination. it is pretty much better than anything the japanese can produce in N/A form(and that includes their v8's!). it's just a fact of diminshing returns when you look at stuff like gen3 and onwards. and value for $$ performance modifications. |
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VZ_commo
Post #41
QUOTE (E.Honda @ Jul 31 2011, 04:16 PM)  the alloy tech isn't a bad a motor by any stretch of the imagination. it is pretty much better than anything the japanese can produce in N/A form(and that includes their v8's!). it's just a fact of diminshing returns when you look at stuff like gen3 and onwards. and value for $$ performance modifications. holden really need to step up and produce a quad cam 3.6 litre v6 alloytech . then you'd have an absolute gem of an engine. oh and put it in a car weighing less than 1.8 tonnes too this time! ALLOYTEC!!!! FFS! The alloytec is a Quad cam. QUOTE (nferno @ Jul 31 2011, 08:23 PM) No they aren't. Unless you put a turbo or charger on it. They are useless to get power out of. |
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vy57ss
Post #44
He's a p plater, what mods are you going to do na alloytec that's going to make any worth while improvements, exhaust and intake and leave it. Supercharged alloytecs make stuff all power, would love to spend 5g for 200ish rwkw, turbo motors are making 250-260rwkw, take into consideration new ls motors plus ford forced 6 and 8 varietys and for the money spent for the gain your left with a pretty shit alternative..... |
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iamhappy46
Post #46
Alloytec is quad cam and the Nissan VQ35DE makes more power and performs better doing it |
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the_random_hero
Post #49
QUOTE (E.Honda @ Jul 31 2011, 04:16 PM) the alloy tech isn't a bad a motor by any stretch of the imagination. it is pretty much better than anything the japanese can produce in N/A form(and that includes their v8's!). it's just a fact of diminshing returns when you look at stuff like gen3 and onwards. and value for $$ performance modifications. holden really need to step up and produce a quad cam 3.6 litre v6 alloytech. then you'd have an absolute gem of an engine. oh and put it in a car weighing less than 1.8 tonnes too this time! Bitch please. We already know that your knowledge of cars/engines is minimal at best, you don't need to convince us any more. |
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vy57ss
Post #50
QUOTE (nferno @ Aug 1 2011, 06:18 PM) http://www.performancemanifolds.com.au/CPR...andfigures-283/ Id be happy with this. apparently they come with a pretty impressive price tag though |
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B Unit
Post #51
QUOTE (jbrad69er @ Jul 30 2011, 11:14 AM) i dnt care wat u think ur just another old f#$k that cant keep hes nose out of other peoples shit so why dnt u go to a topic that u actually know about u dumb@#$! Mate just because your kids have fuckd up genes it doesnt mean mine are to but thanks for the advice mate have u ever heard of insurance if i crash they fix but ur obviously a dumb@#$! and dnt know nothin about it ur blood is probably boiling with anger and im just sitin here laughing at your sorry ass Don't forget that your insurance will be void if you put forced induction onto this while you are on your P's. This means paying for the damages to the other car as well as your own. |
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iamhappy46
Post #53
QUOTE (E.Honda @ Jul 31 2011, 04:16 PM) the alloy tech isn't a bad a motor by any stretch of the imagination. it is pretty much better than anything the japanese can produce in N/A form(and that includes their v8's!). it's just a fact of diminshing returns when you look at stuff like gen3 and onwards. and value for $$ performance modifications. holden really need to step up and produce a quad cam 3.6 litre v6 alloytech. then you'd have an absolute gem of an engine. oh and put it in a car weighing less than 1.8 tonnes too this time! Just over 500Hp from my 3.5L VQ35DE on pump fuel... that is around 140Hp/litre from a $4000 build on the motor and in installed into an 1100Kg Pulsar. The goal is an All Motor 10 second pass in street trim Nissan N/A Power > Holden Family car Power |
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nferno
Post #54
QUOTE (iamhappy46 @ Aug 1 2011, 11:52 PM) Just over 500Hp from my 3.5L VQ35DE on pump fuel... that is around 140Hp/litre from a $4000 build on the motor and in installed into an 1100Kg Pulsar. The goal is an All Motor 10 second pass in street trim Nissan N/A Power > Holden Family car Power Pics? |
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VZ_commo
Post #55
QUOTE (nferno @ Aug 1 2011, 06:18 PM) http://www.performancemanifolds.com.au/CPR...andfigures-283/ Id be happy with this. Sweet! $1600 for a peak power change right when it changes gear on a 190KW engine. Otherwise its the same power throughout most of the ' normal driving ' range. The CPR6 manifold is not worth it. The 175 KW has even less power figure gains from this. I would rather extractors than have 20 HP at 6600 RPM that shifts in another 100 RPM. looks like it only starts really working at 5500 RPM. The rest of the time its the same as the manifold I've got. Stock. |
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translucentdj
Post #56
QUOTE (BoostedDave @ Jul 30 2011, 01:12 PM) Is your dad known by an alias, say something like, roger cordia?? If so, then your genes rock, high five  BAAAHHAAA i remember that freak from years ago! fuckin zing! on topic though, if you want a fast car bloody wait till you have the skills to drive instead of being the latest fuckwit to crash sideways (also insurance wont cover your dead mate). save ur coin for a v8 or something thats meant to be boosted for when your off ur ps. also insulting veterans of this site is just asking to be flamed, so if you still want to waste ur money then use ur brain instead of being like every other 17 yr old and use the fucking search button as this topic has been covered to death. |
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luxo barge
Post #60
QUOTE (John.R @ Aug 3 2011, 06:51 PM) iamhappy still bullshitting about this mythical bloody Pulsar, you are such a kook. You seriously have issues with the length of time you've carried these lies for lol Proof? |
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John.R
Post #61
Proof of what? He's claimed he's had this Pulsar for a good 4 years or so (well pretty much as long as I had my pulsar) and he hasn't got 1 decent picture in all that time, he just posts random pics like above. He used to come up with ALL kinds of excuses about camera issues etc etc, was the laughing stock of Pulsar.org when he made the claims but couldnt get pics or let people see his cars. |
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nferno
Post #62
QUOTE (John.R @ Aug 3 2011, 07:40 PM) He just excessively lies about everything, how he became a source of knowledge on Boost i'll never know, I've only seen a couple members constantly call him out over his outlandish claims. Twin turbo ute ( I beleive he used to only show external pics, probably found some engine bay pics he could claim by now though) I think there was 300kw Nissan XTrail with SR20VET, also the ASL Garaiya that nobody ever saw where just a couple I can remember off the top of my head that he claimed to own but could never prove/camera broke every time they got near. Your forgetting about the TTLS1GTR and his 2010 SS camaro he converted himself. |
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E.Honda
Post #63
QUOTE (iamhappy46 @ Aug 1 2011, 11:52 PM) Just over 500Hp from my 3.5L VQ35DE on pump fuel... that is around 140Hp/litre from a $4000 build on the motor and in installed into an 1100Kg Pulsar. The goal is an All Motor 10 second pass in street trim Nissan N/A Power > Holden Family car Power do it already! but seriously, stripped down the ecotec rocks all over the vq series of v6's. side by side their internals definately look superior compared that of a vq25det's,. their conrods are of far better construction in both material quality and physical size. and the alloy tecs brain(ecu) leaves the nissan counterpart for dead in every single area. personally i love nissan, and all their vehicles and engines. but holden really does have their measure in this instance, no matter how hectic a jdm nissan motor designed by renault, owned by renault and used by renault, can be. |
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memmi87
Post #64
QUOTE (E.Honda @ Aug 3 2011, 09:20 PM) but seriously, stripped down the ecotec rocks all over the vq series of v6's. side by side their internals definately look superior compared that of a vq25det's Since when was the discussion regarding VQ25DET? 3.5L VQ35DE is a much smoother engine then the alloytec... I have driven a car with both engines and stock for stock, VQ35DE win's all around hands down... |
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E.Honda
Post #65
QUOTE (memmi87 @ Aug 3 2011, 09:27 PM) Since when was the discussion regarding VQ25DET? 3.5L VQ35DE is a much smoother engine then the alloytec... I have driven a car with both engines and stock for stock, VQ35DE win's all around hands down... smoother hey??? i've had the opposite experience. ps. the vq engines are all based on the same platform more or less. to me the vq is a raspy, peaky engine. the alloy tec has some raspy'ness but at least it produces the goods with torque. especially punting around a 1.8 tonne vehicle. |
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iamhappy46
Post #66
QUOTE (John.R @ Aug 3 2011, 07:40 PM) Proof of what? He's claimed he's had this Pulsar for a good 4 years or so (well pretty much as long as I had my pulsar) and he hasn't got 1 decent picture in all that time, he just posts random pics like above. He used to come up with ALL kinds of excuses about camera issues etc etc, was the laughing stock of Pulsar.org when he made the claims but couldnt get pics or let people see his cars. He just excessively lies about everything, how he became a source of knowledge on Boost i'll never know, I've only seen a couple members constantly call him out over his outlandish claims. Twin turbo ute ( I beleive he used to only show external pics, probably found some engine bay pics he could claim by now though) I think there was 300kw Nissan XTrail with SR20VET, also the ASL Garaiya that nobody ever saw where just a couple I can remember off the top of my head that he claimed to own but could never prove/camera broke every time they got near. Fake it till you make it I guess lol Ironic that the twin turbo ute was photographed during the engine build, with pics of my engine with turbos installed while it was on the mobile trolley I made for it before the motor was re-installed... not to mention the videos on youtube and to top it all off, the utes destruction thread  300Kw Xtrail... yeah, congrats on not finding the obvious build thread ASL Garaiya? It is actually still kicking around at hill climb events with the new owner. Lies? Oh yeah, here we go again. Another internet champion with no concept of what I am really like in person  EDIT: NVM, you can find the build thread yourself QUOTE (nferno @ Aug 3 2011, 09:16 PM) Your forgetting about the TTLS1GTR and his 2010 SS camaro he converted himself. Go back and look at your last PM... Click and drag over the whole text and find the link to the build thread of the TTLS3R32GTR  I did not convert the Camaro to RHD(fuck, the conversion that was done was shocking) and never said/claimed I did. I ended up having to finish stuff off to my own high standards like removing the engine to access the firewall and spot welding it properly, rather than semi-seam/stitch welding job that was done along with fixing the parabolics in the headlights and some minor wiring loom issues etc. QUOTE (E.Honda @ Aug 3 2011, 09:20 PM) do it already! but seriously, stripped down the ecotec rocks all over the vq series of v6's. side by side their internals definately look superior compared that of a vq25det's,. their conrods are of far better construction in both material quality and physical size. and the alloytecs brain(ecu) leaves the nissan counterpart for dead in every single area. personally i love nissan, and all their vehicles and engines. but holden really does have their measure in this instance, no matter how hectic a jdm nissan motor designed by renault, owned by renault and used by renault, can be. VQ35 internals are outstanding compared to the alloy'low'tec. The combustion chamber design is near perfect for optimal quench, the rods are good for a high rev'ing factory motor with good strong wide torque ouput, the pistons, cams, bucket/shim setup is near perfect and is why the engine was listed on Wards Best Engine List for its entire life. Let me know when Wards even rates the Alloytec I have both VZ and VE(pre SIDI) ROM's and they alloytec ECU is shit. The DBW mapping is pathetic, the variable cam phasing is horrendous and to top it all off... what does a $1200 ECU flash tune get you? Around 40Hp@wheels if your lucky with supporting mods. Then, lets point out the numerous engine failures on stock Alloy'tecs from coolant issues, timing chains, cam phasers etc. Reflash the 350Z ECU and your hitting 270Kw on stock internals with stock manifolds/exhaust/intake. Engine problems? None besides oil consumption issues in 'some' of the Mexico manufactured blocks |
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nferno
Post #67
QUOTE (iamhappy46 @ Aug 3 2011, 09:56 PM) I did not convert the Camaro to RHD(fuck, the conversion that was done was shocking) and never said/claimed I did. I ended up having to finish stuff off to my own high standards like removing the engine to access the firewall and spot welding it properly, rather than semi-seam/stitch welding job that was done along with fixing the parabolics in the headlights and some minor wiring loom issues etc. Please, go on.. So who converted it originally? |
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memmi87
Post #68
QUOTE (E.Honda @ Aug 3 2011, 09:39 PM) smoother hey??? i've had the opposite experience. ps. the vq engines are all based on the same platform more or less. to me the vq is a raspy, peaky engine. the alloy tec has some raspy'ness but at least it produces the goods with torque. especially punting around a 1.8 tonne vehicle. Yes smoother, I drove a mates V35 350GT and it was punchy and smooth... I drove my bosses VE SV6 and I must say, the lack of surprise I got from an factory alloytec was nothing short of well, unsurprising... sure they are supposed to be this economical alternative for an engine... but if you want an economy engine... buy a new Ford Mondeo or Focus with the 2L turbo diesel... If you want something that has more potential, VQ35DE and if need be, DE + T conversion for more added awesomness... I don't value nissan engines like they are the best thing since sliced bread, my actual favourite new engine is the new 5L Coyote supercharged V8 appearing in the next generation FPV GT |
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