P Plate Restrictions - Done to death I know but hoping for a decent conversation.  

Ralli

FUCK SAKE - You have got to be kidding me ... you are an idiot...

I wasn't in the "fast lane" as you put it, I was in actual fact on a suburban ROAD ... Old Cleveland road actually, and I was in the left hand lane not the right hand lane, not that I have to justify my driving to someone like you !!!!

I wasn't constantly looking in the mirror, but I was looking in the mirror enough to see where the dickhead behind me was ...

I think I have enough experience (more than you) under my belt to drive safely. The fact that it was pissing down with rain, meant I wasn't speeding I was doing the speed limit.

The other dude was being a complete WANKER on the road, IN THE WET and yes he slid and nearly hit me ....

He just happened to be a P Plater ..... the other week it was a taxi driver (no unusal) being a dickhead on the road.....

Espress

Couldn't help yourself aye? Its funny how we both have nothing better to do on Xmas day than argue about a silly law.





THE FOLLOWING BOLD SECTION IS COMPLETELY TRUE, IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID IN MY POST AND IS NO WAY COMPLETLEY TWISTED AROUND BY RANCHER TO SUIT HIS EVER-CHANGING ARGUMENT



wtf about the shoe box remark ahahh.

Basically this is argument is going to come back to "WELL I SORE A P PLATER SPEEDING SO THEY ARE ALL DUM" or vice versa with a black license driver.

I usually think you have good points rancher but in this thread your mostly just personally attacking those you don't know and attempting to put words in my mouth.

Rancher

I'm putting words in your mouth... You bolded that section.. Ignored that you had a cry a few posts up and in three weeks you're suddenly mature. But, when I void that argument of yours, you totally ignore it, and go on how I'm changing MY argument. That makes no sense. Do you have trouble reading? You don't seem to have much trouble with spelling and punctuation, so is that the trade off? You're reading and responding to certain parts that suit what you want to say. I'm not personally attacking anyone. I'm having a go at your, and your short sided view on other drivers that aren't yourself. No where have I put words in your mouth....

I have heaps better things to do, you're just pissing me off.

brutalVU

buy an s2000

or a autech s15

or an xr6

or a golf 32

or a b16 swapped civic

haha the laws are bullshit, if they really cared they would introduce free defensive driving lessons to teach young drivers how to handle a 1200kg weapon.

and as for these all almighty high open license drivers posting in here saying p platers cant drive, i know many that would put you to shame around lakeside haha

/stfu and end debate

Espress

About to hopefully got see Tron legacy so don't really have much time to address alot of the things you said.

Its just funny how you twist my words like saying i ONLY drive to work and back ect so I mustn't have any experience in a variety of road conditions, saying that was just stupid.

And I was clearly joking about being magically mature enough to drive a high powered vehicle in under a month yet your acting like I was bragging about it. Your also saying I think that all old drivers are hoons because I saw a few of them speeding, which was obviously not what I was saying at all.

Anyway I guess we will have to agree to disagree, thats what these forums are for, you are coming up with some good points, just like I think some of mine are pretty decent, and as long as we don't devolve into simply personally attacking each other than this thread is a success.

"I have heaps better things to do, you're just pissing me off."

You must have really thin skin if I'm pissing you off mate, as I said lets come away from personally having a go at each other and each others opinions and this thread will be better for it.

Anyway rancher have a nice xmas mate, ours is a bit boring here because we only moved up here a week or so ago and dont have any family up here haha.

Hopefully my movie starts soon, been looking forward to it for a while.

Espress

Good points but like we were saying, alot of the problems come down to driver attitude. It doesnt matter if you are a good driver, if you are going to fast or being stupid you will crash. As some other people have mentioned P plate laws are in place to protect drivers that are too immature to protect themselves. Unfortunately this affects some sensible young car enthusiast aswell as allowing some older hoons to drive high powered vehicles simply because of age.

Although we may all disagree on the high powered vehicle laws, i think we can all agree that they deffo need an overhaul, perhaps power to weight as opposed to blanket ruling out turbos and v8.

Espress

ew double post

namso786

This is exactly right,

I am a P plater, a reasonably sensible driver, but most of them out there are complete fuckheads, so I'd rather that they apply these rules, and restrict the 90% of ken block wanna be's, and the 10% of us will have to sacrifice for the greater good.

I'm over bitching about the laws, without them, there would be havoc.

TwinCam16

Another thing to take into consideration is.

Back 10 - 15 years ago, high performance was in the form of an ET turbo or a VK that had a 308.

Not exactly out of the world, but people couldn't afford high power when they were young.

Now with china mass productions, jap imports and things in general, high power is well within the reach of younger drivers.

Things started to turn into a blood bath so a way to control it was implemented.

Ralli

^^ This , and this is exactly what young kids these days don't understand or realise ......

T4ZZ

I totally agree with the v8 and turbo side of things but some rules for example like engine swaps that i dont really understand why, for example my friend has a suzuki sierra they stock have an 1.3L carburetor engine but if you upgrade to an 1.6L fuel injected vitara engine it is deemed illegal to drive. the engine is not much more powerful and still under 200kw.

Ralli

Why is it deemed illegal to drive ? If it's still within the restrictions ?

obey

Or my crx.
It would be illegal to have a b swap in it even though the ef8 came with a b series and the only difference is the compliance plate and a few cosmetic details.

warney

you need to come to Browns Plains then on a sat night !!!!!

T4ZZ

He has been pulled over but never been in trouble for it but apparently you cannot drive a car with a mod plated engine conversion, many platers have been flamed about it in members rides for thinking its legal (one i can remember is the n/a ca18 in the 1200 ute).

I have heard nobody at QT seems to have a straight answer about it but iam assuming in bold engine converstion is illegal as it needs a mod plate

High-powered (performance) vehicles include those with:

•eight or more cylinders
•a turbo-charged or super-charged engine that is not diesel powered
•an engine that has a power output of more than 200 kW as per the manufacturer's specifications
•a rotary engine that has an engine capacity of more than 1146cc as per the manufacturer's specifications
•a modified engine that must be approved under section 13 of the Transport Operations (Road Use Management — Vehicle Standards and Safety) Regulation 2010.

clutch-monkey

haha that thread was hilarious

Rancher

Riight.

If the vehicle was fitted with a motor in that series, a P plater can fit it to their vehicle, and have it plated with no drama's. For EG, an RB25DE can be transplanted into an R32, and still be P plate legal.

kdunb2

So would this be P plate legal?
https://www.boostcruising.com/forums/index....4&hl=gemini
would really appreciate an answer cheers

obey

Yes, but the b series crxs are all imports and have the engine chassis code as ef8 instead of ed9 so it doesn't count.

Housey

What was the death toll for young drivers in 1995? And what was the death toll for young drivers in 2010, or 2006 when it was turning into a "blood bath" with evil "china mass productions" and control was desperately needed? IMO this has all been blown up by media hype. Young drivers will on average always have a higher likelihood of dieing on the road than mature drivers, as has always been the case in the past, and though back then it was technically an even bigger problem (higher rates of death) it was a smaller problem or issue in the media.

So has putting some blanket rule ban over p platers from "high performance" vehicles have an effect on the road toll? Yes, may well have had some sort of vague-ish, completely unproven reduction in the p plater road toll. IMO thats beside the point though,
1. true idiots will find ways to be stupid in "legal" cars or just disregard the law totally.
2. there will also be a large amount of young drivers that can control themselves in hipo cars and drive just as safely (if not safer) in a hipo car that will be punished needlessly by the laws.
3. A high performance car is not anymore dangerous than the slow one, until one or more of the other road rules have already been broken (speeding etc). Why do we need (and seem to want) to bring these precautionary laws upon ourselves that prohibit and punish us from getting into a situation, that could potentially increase the risk of getting into a situation that is already illegal and punishable by law, that could lead to an increased risk of death or injury to ourselves/others? Laws of this nature are completely unnecessary and degrading, and if they are necessary, then it shows that there is something else that is not working in the system. Maybe instead there could be an overhaul of the current road rule system if it isn't working for young drivers, or incentives to put young drivers into safer (not more limited) cars, or increased driver training? There are countless other options

obey

I think if the laws have reduced the road toll it was the curfew that did it more than anything.

How could baning turbo cand v8 cars make a big difference when such a small minority of P platers actually own them?

When ever I hear a car hooning around the neighbour hood do I hear waste gates and blow off valves?

No, hardly ever.

This tells me that most the cars hooning around the neighbour hood causing danger are just regular cars like commodores and falcons.

R35

Ok i think the p plate laws are good but could be improved, i also think that the government needs to introduce better education and training to all drivers regardless of their age.

I started out with my red p plates in a manual vs commodore, whilst i had this car i was stupid and a typical p plater, hooning around doing general crazy stuff, however what i noticed is that i only ever drove stupidly with other mate around. If my girlfriend was in the car i would drive like a nanna. I then sold that car and brought a manual BA falcon much like an xr6 , honestly this car was much quicker than my commo, could do alot more harm in it aswell however i got sick of its "ford reliability" and brought a automatic mazda 3. The mazda was by far the best car i had owned to date, it was precise, safe and fuel efficeint to boot. After driving that car for 8 months i sold it to buy my WRX, which brings me to my current car, i dont drive it as yet as im off my p plates in 4 days however the first time i drove it was on dirt road out the back of woop woop, i realized automatically how much faster the wrx is and how dangerous it is. YES it has AWD, YES it handles like it runs on rail, YES it is only capable of doing 110km/h just like my other cars, but its simply the way the wrx does it which makes me stop and think. I know that if i had stepped straight into a wrx as soon as i got my p-plates i would probably be like others either writing the car off or having a near death experience. I agree with others a wrx is not a safe car, its safe compared to another performance car.

anyway what im trying to say is that whilst there are more fuel efficient and environmentally friendly cars out there that are unobtainable to p-platers because of this stupid rule, i believe the true problem of wanting a fast car is rooted deeper into society. i think that when you need to renew your license you should undertake a test, no it doesn't have to be as stringent as initial p plate tests but it needs to show that education is the key. I also reckon that before you can go on to your opens you should show that you have learnt something whilst driving in the last 3 years. . I think as a whole Australia are a bunch or retarded drivers who are arrogant and ignorant of others, which makes the road an unsafe place. Therefor are the p platers rules good? YES, could they be improved? YES. Is education the Key? YES.

ANYWAY...

warney

clearly you havnt left the S.E QLD then.......its only QLD that cant drive TBH !

HSV

Fuck there are some retarded people in this thread.

Wait 5 - 10 years when you mature more, then come back and read this thread.

warney

Fucking tell me about it !

random-_-62

Here's my 2 cents.
Im nearly 20, On my green P's and have about 10 months until my opens. Im not going out to buy some high powered turbo's or supercharged car when i go on my opens.
The p plate laws havent affected me at all. My first car was a ke70, Did all the work to it myself except engine work. Police didnt like it too much aka being to low tyres out guards so forth. So I went out and bought a turbo diesel 4wd. Best thing I ever did.
Everyone can cry about these P plate laws but it has nothing to do with anything. If you are stupid enough to drive like idiots your going to crash / die in whatever you drive. No matter what. Yes I agree with the turbo laws, superchargers and v8 laws. But people are still crashing and dieing in these brand new p plate safe cars with abs and airbags coming out from every pillar.
It comes down to being mature and not drink driving and driving like a complete idiot. I have driven cars from when I was say... 12 - 14. On private property with my dad and hes taught me all I know. Ive driven on race tracks, archy, qr. And currently building a track car to skid. Where i will learn more.I havent crashed yet and not planning on that happeneing for a while. I consider myself as a safe driver and if i ever do anythign silly i will do it by myself where no one is around. But thats hardley ever.

No one is invicible.

Anyways just my 2 cents.

mako86

well here is my 2c

i thought about this a fair bit when iv seen an accident where some p plater in a laser has lost it on a bend.
at the end of the day a laser and a skyline can both do 100kph in a 60 zone with a bend in the road.
no mater what we do we cant stop p platers being idiots.
but if it was your son or daughter in a car with a friend speeding up to this bend.
witch would you prefer them to be in. a shit box laser that made to drive old granny to church or a skyline witch is made for it. witch can handle better. witch can pull up quicker if needed.
now im not dis agreeing with members saying the new p plater laws are good cus honestly with some of the idiots that drive around on the coast im glade they cant drive performance cars. but when it comes to safety at the end of day these performance cars are safer.
witch is what i believe Espress was getting at in the first place.
now the other problem we have is when these p platers get off there ps they think they are the best drivers cus they been driving a gemini for 3 years then they can finally drive a v8 or turbo and think they know it all.
and iv seen it alot.
now my personal opinion dont mean much in here cus everyone is a bunch of know it alls but i thought id throw it out there.

mark1414

Are you guys retarded or what? Its not about 'how fast the car can go' its about how fast it gets there. Why do you all seem to struggle to understand that?? Also even if that was a valid point (which its not btw) the government hasn't restricted 'safe cars' you can go out and buy a brand new car I bet its ten times safer than a skyline, and to further add to that point half the cars you retards are suggesting come in non turbo variants, eg r33 skyline gtst verses gts or wrx verses impreza.

VTR

I don't believe in Witches unless it's it's a witches hat on a road.

Zimma

Honestly i see no issues with P plate restrictions, while it doesn't stop a young driver behaving like a utter dickhead it does limit a few variables mainly acceleration. While the blanket ban has a few odd banned cars ie; turbo diesels, low powered turbos, for the most part i see no issue, there is absolutely zero reason why a p plater NEEDS to drive a wrx instead of the non turbo impreza and in reality the main reason they want the turbo variant is to speed and brag to mates. However at the end of the day give a p plater with the hooning mindset any car and they will find a way to wrap it around a pole, friend got his p's, bought a 1.6l pulsar and straight away starts bragging about how poweful it is and trying to drag race us at lights etc. Few friends get conned into it, personally i didn't because i felt nothing to prove. I may have been insulted after but I didn't care since I was the one mature enough not to drag at 7pm on a saturday night, I'm not going to sit here and say I am a perfect little driver, yes i take corners a bit fast, yes i have occasionally indulged in spirited driving however i never pushed it past my limit and never anything dangerous (well hooning dangerous, dont drive off no sleep kiddies)... I do think though that perhaps the kw threshold for high powered 6 cylinders should be reviewed a tad with the figures some of the newer 6's are putting out, but don't agree with limiting to the point of crazy ideas like no rwd, 6cyls etc, not everybody wants to drive a corolla nor can some people. *insert simpons tall man driving beetle pic here*

Also as for the curfew rules etc i agree with them for the first year completely... Unfortunately as my friends have shown me the odds of getting busted are low and the carefactor is even lower, limited to 1 passenger after x hour at night, he's driven with a full car several times, unfortunately all the laws in the world don't mean a thing if nobody is there to catch the ones breaking it. Case of the it's only illegal if you get caught mentality at its finest.

Slavic

When I drove a stock WRX is wasn't really that fast. Although modifications are easy to find and cheap nowadays. I am currently on my p plates and have no issue with the laws.
It is not an issue with the car, but an issue with the person driving it. There are boundaries which should be kept.
These laws make it slightly safer for the average young driver but still aren't foolproof.
Sure, I like to put my foot down at times but I do have limits.

mako86

just like i said "my personal opinion dont mean much in here cus everyone is a bunch of know it alls but i thought id throw it out there."
and your a f@#k head mate everyone entitled to there opinion. and just cus someone says there 2c they a retard. wake up to yourself.
oh wait sorry forgot you are one of the bunch of dick know it alls on this site my bad.

mark1414

Thanks for addressing my post in a mature manner, P plater no doubt. Your allowed an opinion but when its retarded people will disagree with you.

obey

The p plate laws don't restrict how fast cars can accelerate all that much really.
Just because a car is NA doesn't mean it can't accelerate fast.

mark1414

Umm yes they do. High performance cars accelerate quickly, the laws restrict high performance cars. See whats happening here...?