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22nd February 2010 - 03:52 AM
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This is supposedly from a, soon to be, former Garrett/Honeywell employee. This was on nasioc and it is interesting. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1936851 "I work at Garrett Turbos, now called Honeywell Turbo Technologies which there so proud of. When Cliff Garrett Owned Garrett He used to brown bag his lunch everyday and cared for a quality Product. If he knew what Honeywell has done now he would turn over in his grave. Honeywell bought Garrett In 1998 or 1999. After this they opened up a turbo testing lab in shanghai China and quickly moved there turbo overhaul to Mexicali Mexico, quickly after Garrett overhaul went belly-up. So they moved there whole production to Mexicali Mexico, as if that first failure was not a sign. Garrett Turbos made a quality product for a fair price. A turbo is a precision instrument. Garrett turbos was part of Garrett Air Research (on 190th st. In Torrance ca.) Where they have a huge facility designing turbine engines, and so on. Most of the senior technicians in our main turbo facility (Lomita Blvd Torrance ca) came from our air research. If you’re building jet engines a turbo is not all that difficult. Well Cliff Garrett dies. At that time ALL production of Garrett Turbos was at Lomita Torrance ca. Also all engineering and research was there as well. After we were bought and production was sent to Mexico to save costs. Our production numbers doubled. And cost was cut in half our failure rate tripled. Well who cares Honeywell is making money and lots of it. Turbos are considered Honeywell’s golden egg. They feel that turbos are going to take over big. Which it already has in the diesel market. We make ford diesel turbos, daf, Chevrolet, some Audi, vw, fiat, Perkins. Millions of turbos. And there now all coming from china and Mexico. Well up until lately the company figured if the product was designed in the US and assembled in Mexico we would be ok. Well to further there profit and **** the customer once again....the LAST of what makes turbo American leaves in January 2011. We will close the doors to the Torrance Lab. In Torrance we did all our racing turbos (wrc stuff, Audi racing etc..) then in the garret garage we did the turbos you people buy for your Subaru’s. Actually I take that back. They take turbos that were made on a production line somewhere else in the world, and change a couple of parts on a bench in Torrance (wheels, housing..etc) and send it to you the customer saying it was made in the us.....no it was not it was just repackaged and altered a little. Well as of Jan 2011 all your turbos will be made in Mexico or china or Czech Republic. This is the last Garrett facility in the United States. We have huge law suits pending due to turbo failures. GM is probably going to leave us.... ford has already sued us. Caterpillar has one of the largest recalls in garret history in the process. Our name is becoming ****. The last few VERY smart guys left in the company are being fired to save costs, but see our profit is already good.....they just want more. Please don’t spend 1500$ on a gt35r. Now that it’s costing Honeywell less to build turbos do you think you will see a smaller bill when you order there product? NO!. They are going to charge you even more for even less. There are countless procedures that are being terminated everyday that made our turbos THE BEST. They keep cutting corner after corner. Did you know that we shave metal off our turbine and compressor housings until they are at the EXTREME minimum needed to contain in the event of failure they are shaving every nickel off the cost of a turbo. Did you know that 2000$ gt40 you buy is all mark up. I won’t dare say the actual cost to the company in fear of a lawsuit but lets just say your sales tax is more then the production cost. Do not buy these turbos. BorgWarner and mitsu are trying there best to compete with us making a quality product. Honeywell is using its big name to back junky turbos Like Toyota is starting to do. I guarantee in the next 8 months you will see a huge decline in quality. All designing and production is in CHINA AND MEXICO. Honeywell is taking back all there benefits they used to supply us with as employees. That way when they lay us off its as cheap as possible. Instead of saying "Well after we take a hit laying those people off we will make tons" they are just taking back all there benefits so they walk away clean and clear. We used to get a severance package. Which they just took away. One of the head engineers involved in the t3 project. (Designing the first t3) he is still with our company. he was supposed to get 44 weeks of pay if he ever got layed off (30 days and 1 week for every year with the company. 40 years with the company)Due to the new Honeywell rules he gets only 16 weeks pay they stole all that pack after promising it to him for 40 years. My fingers and about to fall off typing all this and I am heated so I don’t care about grammar I’m concerned about you people not supporting a Nazi company. Take your business elsewhere. Somewhere where you will get what your money pays for. Have a nice day and don’t forget if you hear the name HTT Honeywell Turbo Technologies Stay away. (They still use the garret stamp on the turbos)" FYI. -------------------- QLD VTEC number plates for sale.
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Mr.B
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Honeywell have more problems to worry about TBH. But it is not that well written and it sounds like a disgruntled employee who's out to make things difficult. Plus I think it is very difficult to foresee a decline in product quality in such an "accurate" 8 month time period given we don't know his/her position within the company itself. |
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532MAN
Post #9
Who do we suggest to use now? Precision make a good turbo. USA owned and made. I know this isn't good news, but on eBay you can get cheap Chinese turbos. They work ok, but the point is they are cheap. Are they going to last forever? No. Are they worth the price? Yes, probably. If you are building to a race application, an off the shelf turbo won't cut it anyway. But if it's a street car with a mild upgrade in mind, then a Chinese turbo is quite possibly a viable and fair option. |
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baconson
Post #11
Just beause things are made in china does not instantly make them crap, china can build quality products when needed, and america loosing alot of its manufacturing have no one to blame except there unions, once unionisation hit america thats when american companys started going bust and overseas, because employers could not afford to pay unionised staff |
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8700s14
Post #13
Just beause things are made in china does not instantly make them crap, china can build quality products when needed, and america loosing alot of its manufacturing have no one to blame except there unions, once unionisation hit america thats when american companys started going bust and overseas, because employers could not afford to pay unionised staff ^^^ ! Everyone still seems to associate chinese made products with poor quality. I work in the golf industry where 10 years ago, clubs were manufactured all over the world and the chinese manufactured clubs were the ones to stay clear of, moving to present day, 99.5% of golf clubs are forged/cast in china, even the biggest brand names (Titleist, Callaway, etc). China has come a long way!! |
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MoneyPower
Post #24
^pfft. |
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