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30th November 2007 - 07:54 PM
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Hospitals have a foul tasting liquid they make people drink that have been bought in for overdoses etc. I'm not sure if it has another technical name but it is called active charcoal, the charcoal part absorbs what is left undissolved of the drugs or whatever is in your stomach. More interestingly the active component of it actually counters/neutralises (to an extent) chemicals in your body. Only took me 2 phone calls to find a place that sell it to the public over the counter and it's cheap, exactly the same stuff the hospitals buy... they were also happy to share with me the fact that if you held a mouthfull of that for a few seconds they feel you would test negative to any oral test. I'm no expert and people will say anything to sell you something..... but I would imagine they know their product and what it is capable of, and hospitals use it so that's gotta say something. This post has been edited by Phat535: Nov 30 2007, 08:08 PM |
Phat535
Post #5
Not me no, I've already said in other threads a few years ago maybe these laws would have worried me quite a bit but they don't bother me at all at the moment. And I also think these laws are a good thing, but only if they get it right. I'm sharing information that I thought people on the site might find interesting. Who knows there might be a medical student on here that will post and tell me I'm wrong, I'm happy to be proven wrong if I learn something new. Discussions can't be one sided, both the pros and cons of a new system like this should be examined thoroughly so the kinks can be worked out and it doesn't turn into yet another australian police knee jerk reaction that fails misserably because they didn't think it through |
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Phat535
Post #7
QUOTE(boozt @ Dec 1 2007, 02:34 PM) [snapback]1281679141[/snapback] I'm presuming if this were the case you'd have to rinse your mouth momentarily before the test is done. Considering how much you salivate etc it wouldn't work as far as i'm concerned. Could be wrong though. I thought of that but it's not simply washing the chemical from your saliva it apparently actually neutralises it, so unless you've had a 3 day bender and you don't actually wash your mouth out after the charcoal drink I wouldnt think there would be enough there to worry about. But time will tell I guess |
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Phat535
Post #9
ps. guys who are pm'ing me to find out where to buy the active charcoal (yes I've already got multiple pms haha) I didn't start this thread so people could get away with it haha so no I'm not telling you where it's sold. But to be totally honest it took me maybe 10 minutes and 2 phone calls to find someone who knew what I was talking about and where to find it. Charcoal has many medicinal uses, use your brains |
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DreamensioN
Post #12
With drink driving, the rules are clear. You have a as many drinks as your body can take - just as long as your under the 0.05 limit you're considered ok to drive. |
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blues_skaterkid
Post #14
QUOTE(TwinCam16 @ Dec 1 2007, 03:25 PM) [snapback]1281679242[/snapback] Very well said! And you will find, this is where is is going to get messy... have they started the drug testing in nsw? |
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Rookie ROX
Post #16
I see where you're getting at, but I think you highly overestimate the care factor of many drug users who actively drive whilst under the influence. I highly doubt any person taking drugs is going to think "oh geez, I'm driving later, I better get some charcoal ready in case I get pulled over", or even keep a bottle in the car (try explaining the reason for that actually). |
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Philthy
Post #17
Drug tests catch five drivers |
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LSD
Post #18
hmmmm charcoal hey,i know they have been using this in hosptials for yrs for people that have overdosed. i know some one that had it done to them 15yrs ago. |
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v8srchoice
Post #19
what variables are there for this? i do piss tests for work if i have to go to refineries, mine camps or gladstone port. they can show up traces of different drugs depending on if youve eaten a certain amount of a certain food in the last few days. |
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chappy1
Post #20
QUOTE(DreamensioN @ Dec 1 2007, 03:21 PM) [snapback]1281679236[/snapback] With drink driving, the rules are clear. You have a as many drinks as your body can take - just as long as your under the 0.05 limit you're considered ok to drive. Now...is there a limit with drugs? Probably not. So...now we have a "zero tolerance" society. Lets not beat about the bush about it. People have been doing drugs ever since time began (in one form or another). Its part of human society whether you like it or not. Its just something that happens. Now that we have that out of the way... How accurate are these tests? What are the limits and tolerances so drivers can make an informed choice and decision? Say you're 40yrs old, and one day when you were 15yrs old you caught a sniff of someone else's spliff at a music festival - will that show up? That's an example of what I'm talking about. Does it measure back the past 24hrs, the past week, the past year? Are you considered "under the influence" even though you're perfectly fine, but traces of the 1 pill you had 3 weeks ago are still in your saliva - therefore you go to court? I don't know much about the new laws yet, but if its what I think it is...its leaving an open book to what needs to be very defined in black & white. ah stuff it. if u did drugs weeks ago or that night u should get in trouble. i dont think drugs years ago would show up now anyways and if so im sure they would have taken it into consideration. |
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Philthy
Post #24
QUOTE(TwinCam16 @ Dec 2 2007, 12:12 PM) [snapback]1281680856[/snapback] So the point still remains. If your on a weight loss pill (duromine comes to mind) does that mean every time you get tested, you have to give up approx half an hour of your time? by the time they do both saliva tests and fart ass around? I doubt it Duromine capsules contain phentermine, lactose, liquid paraffin, magnesium stearate, gelatin, titanium dioxide, carbon black (CI 77266). In addition, Duromine 15mg contains brilliant blue (FCF CI 42090), iron oxide yellow (CI 77492); Duromine 30mg contains iron oxide red (CI 77491); Duromine 40mg contains erythrosine (CI 45430), sunset yellow (FCF CI 5985). Duromine capsules are gluten-free. "Random roadside drug testing What drugs will be tested? Police will ask you to provide a saliva sample for the purpose of testing for: • THC—the active ingredient in cannabis • Methylamphetamine—also known as speed and ice • MDMA—the active ingredient in ecstasy. Saliva tests will only be able to detect the active ingredients of the nominated drugs THC, MDMA and methylamphetamine. Even though methamphetamine is manufactured from substances such as pseudoephedrine (found in cold and flu tablets) those substances will not be detected by the saliva tests." |
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dr460n
Post #26
QUOTE(DreamensioN @ Dec 2 2007, 12:25 PM) [snapback]1281680888[/snapback] So cocaine & herion isn't tested for. Descrimination? That's a good point, if they are going to include THC they should be including everything, when I used to smoke it made my driving safer more concious, less speeding, extra safe |
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Philthy
Post #27
QUOTE(dr460n @ Dec 2 2007, 12:42 PM) [snapback]1281680926[/snapback] That's a good point, if they are going to include THC they should be including everything, when I used to smoke it made my driving safer more concious, less speeding, extra safe I'm not even going there with that comment. As for cocaine and heroin, maybe it's harder to trace than a simple saliva test and maybe it takes in too many other factors. Or. Cocaine users are usually rich types with their own drivers and heroin addicts can't afford cars. Jks |
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S15_Matt
Post #28
istead of bitching and talking about how and why they can and will test and what and for how long it will be in your system, and talking about the effects of charcoal, why not DENY yourself the foolishness and not take the stupid fu**ed up drug. simple |
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TwinCam16
Post #29
^^^^ real good post |
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2muchofthiss?itisnotenuf
Post #30
D-OH don,t do drugs, or don,t DRIVE if you do IS that not simple!!!! Makes sense to me, |
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sreto
Post #33
QUOTE D-OH don,t do drugs, or don,t DRIVE if you do IS that not simple!!!! head_wall.gif head_wall.gif Makes sense to me, dry.gif Yeah, but what if somebody smokes weed on Saturday, and drives on Sunday night and gets pulled over, he is not under the influence of drugs but he still has it in his system, should he get done the same as the person who drives whilst high? Thats the problem I see with this test. MAKE IT LEGAL. |
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TwinCam16
Post #34
Judy Quick Fix Spence wouldnt see it that way. |
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sreto
Post #35
Exactly my point mate. Even with beer, Ive known people who have been done the next day. I have no problem with fuckwits who are driving drunk or smoked up on meth getting done, but when somebody took a substance and he is not under the influence at the current time, but he is going to get done for it anyways thats what I call bullshit. |
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