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slick
Post #71

QUOTE(v8srchoice @ Dec 3 2007, 08:30 PM) [snapback]1281686492[/snapback]

so how about they come up to you at the shopping centre and drug test you?
you wouldnt complain? but its not affecting your ability to drive?


i wouldn't have any problems. i get drug tested several times a year. the way i see it, it shouldnt matter if it affects your ability to drive or not, if u have something illegal in your system that should NOT be there, and it is. well then as far as im concerned, you have undertaken an illegal activity and should be fined/charged accordingly.

QUOTE(yoshimitsu9 @ Dec 3 2007, 08:28 PM) [snapback]1281686480[/snapback]

to a blood test yes. to a saliva test weed is only detectable for 24hours


really? i know its detectable in a urine test up to 6 months.

Philthy
Post #72

QUOTE(eighty-eight @ Dec 3 2007, 04:20 PM) [snapback]1281685412[/snapback]

lol @ australia. seriously is the strictest place to drive. anyway there will still be more deaths on the road, they should focus on stopping the drugs in the first place instead of busting the final part of the drug line, the user..

I hang around heaps of people that smoke weed and i can tell you now without even having any, if Im in the same room for a while I can tell I feel different, but its hardly a thing that retards my driving. Statistically I should be dead anyway: 21, 500hp.

the system is so stupid and makes life difficult for people that can actually control them selfs and their car.

In conclusion, im going to move to the US one day.



You think Australian road rules are strict? Good luck in America. Don't cancel your Australian licence. You will need it when you realise how much stricter American rules are and want to move back again.

eighty-eight
Post #73

in some aspects yes, also depends what state you are in.

51NGL
Post #74

QUOTE(TwinCam16 @ Dec 3 2007, 05:04 PM) [snapback]1281685568[/snapback]

OMG your shitting me....


no.....excuse the ignorance/naiveness...but i was serious.

i dont pop pills but iam curious as to know weather that would change the result????? dunno.gif


skezz
Post #75

QUOTE(slick @ Dec 3 2007, 10:13 PM) [snapback]1281686889[/snapback]

really? i know its detectable in a urine test up to 6 months.


orly ?

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_testing.shtml

www.erowid.org

Don't know if this is relevant, but I find it very useful to answer any questions instead of getting mislead by peoples assumptions.

It has facts and information on all drug types, effects, and how long it is in your system.


We have had to rush a friend to hospital to injest this 'charcoal' substance before as we thought he was ODing.... havn't heard of it being avaliable to the public

cbf reading the whole thread heh

Basstones
Post #76

The fact remains is that there has been absolutely no definitive answer released on how long after being exposed to the drug you will still test positive for.

Before the drug testing was released in QLD it was being trialled in NSW. In order to attempt to get some clearer information the Hemp Bar in Nimbin purchased some of the drugwipe testing kits being used by the police. The people used for the tests were a wide range between very low smokers, and high users. I was doing some research in to this a while back and their website had the most data out of anywhere else.

Unforunately even they were unable to get a clear answer from the testing, except that (from memory) anyone who ingested the THC in food form tested negative each time.

Although the data supplied by them could definitely have a hint of Bias I would prefer to take the information from them rather the police issued data.

When I first heard about the testing I was informed it was 4-6hrs, this has now ballooned out to 18-24hrs. That is absolutely ridiculous, as others have said they need to have defined limits. Saying that they are just testing for traces of illegal substances, not for people with impaired abilites is BS. Look at half the media releases so far, and the statistics they try to include/relate.

Edit: Oh and this post is not condoning drug driving at all, there is no doubt a detection method is necessary. It doesn't mean that they should be able to introduce a system which still isn't 100% accurate or proven. The exact same system has been ignored in other parts of the world as it was deemed not accurate or feasible through outside studies.

slick
Post #77

QUOTE(skezz @ Dec 4 2007, 11:16 AM) [snapback]1281687798[/snapback]

orly ?

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_testing.shtml

www.erowid.org

Don't know if this is relevant, but I find it very useful to answer any questions instead of getting mislead by peoples assumptions.



fair find.

QUOTE
"Although it is widely claimed that THC metabolites can cause a positive urine test for months after use, a more realistic estimate is closer to 3-4 weeks for chronic users."



what i mentioned in my above post is based on countless lectures and statements I have recieved from WADA and ASADA over the past 3 years, so I would prefer to go on their information rather then a website. nice find though.

Basstones
Post #78

I thought the long term trace effects were found through THC stored in the body fat and hair?

51NGL
Post #79

QUOTE(51NGL @ Dec 3 2007, 04:47 PM) [snapback]1281685513[/snapback]

Can you still be picked up if you anally induce the ecstacy tablet???
I mean it doesnt technically reach the salvatorial glands (sp?)...just the rectum passage....hmmm anyone know??????????????????????????????????????????????


this man is onto something here......any answers.. unsure.gif

Jon51
Post #80

did you just quote yourself?

51NGL
Post #81

unsure.gif


no 51NGL did.....

TwinCam16
Post #82

That's what Shane was thinking...

pulsar_ET_turbo
Post #83

QUOTE(slick @ Dec 3 2007, 06:07 PM) [snapback]1281685882[/snapback]

they aren't testing how fucked off your head they are like with alcohol, they are testing for drugs, and any trace of them. why? because they are completely and utterly illegal.


funniest, yet most uninformed shit i have read so far. it is only illegal to be in posesssion of or drive while under the influence of drugs, which is what they are testing for. in no way at all is it illegal to be on them.

51NGL
Post #84

QUOTE(pulsar_ET_turbo @ Dec 4 2007, 03:26 PM) [snapback]1281688797[/snapback]

funniest, yet most uninformed shit i have read so far. it is only illegal to be in posesssion of or drive while under the influence of drugs, which is what they are testing for. in no way at all is it illegal to be on them.



unsure.gif baw wahh huhhh????

skezz
Post #85

QUOTE(51NGL @ Dec 4 2007, 03:30 PM) [snapback]1281688813[/snapback]

unsure.gif baw wahh huhhh????


meaning, there are no charges against being under the influence of drugs as such

you can get done for posession/driving under the influence

but not actually 'being under the influence' if you were say walking along the street


51NGL
Post #86

ahh k. that makes sence!



anyone know bout the "Top Shelfing" LOL ??

TwinCam16
Post #87

Refer Anal inducement.

70XIN
Post #88

did i hear anal? i'm here

skezz
Post #89

QUOTE(51NGL @ Dec 4 2007, 03:39 PM) [snapback]1281688849[/snapback]

ahh k. that makes sence!
anyone know bout the "Top Shelfing" LOL ??


I'll give my uneducated opinion here

Just because you 'swallow' an extacy pill doesn't mean that because it touches your mouth it goes into your saliva, cause I think thats what you are thinking.

I believe it would still be detected...as it would be distributed throughout the body , the same as swallowing

Someone with more education on the subject may be able to enlighten us dunno.gif


ps. stfu about it already.

51NGL
Post #90

QUOTE(skezz @ Dec 4 2007, 03:59 PM) [snapback]1281688922[/snapback]

I'll give my uneducated opinion here

Just because you 'swallow' an extacy pill doesn't mean that because it touches your mouth it goes into your saliva, cause I think thats what you are thinking.

I believe it would still be detected...as it would be distributed throughout the body , the same as swallowing

Someone with more education on the subject may be able to enlighten us dunno.gif
ps. stfu about it already.


im a noob come ecstacy... LOL

i just heard people do it to get "a hitt" quicker.....so it prompted me to think whether it would be detectable or not...

mehh dunno.gif

5rki
Post #91

So if your housemates smoke pot regularly you can get caught up in a fuss?

blacky05
Post #92

Can we PLEASE have the number of the place that sells the charcoal stuff? Not because I drive on drugs, but because I don't want to get busted for driving a day after I have smoked up. 24 hours is NOT fair with THC because you are not at all affected by it that long afterwards. If you take that charcoal stuff, you will have a fair chance of not getting busted for driving legally.

sreto
Post #93

Why so you can vomit? Charcoal just makes you vomit when you take it.

Garfield Gangsta
Post #94

QUOTE(slick @ Dec 3 2007, 10:13 PM) [snapback]1281686889[/snapback]

really? i know its detectable in a urine test up to 6 months.


dude... it's detectable in urine for the average Joe for only 1-2 weeks. An irregular user will be clean in about 6-8 days. Most extreme cases are 3-4 weeks.


QUOTE(5rki @ Dec 4 2007, 05:43 PM) [snapback]1281689263[/snapback]

So if your housemates smoke pot regularly you can get caught up in a fuss?

Apart from your house mates blowing it directly into your face you should be pretty right.

I work in the mines and get screened every time I fly in and nearly EVERYONE i know smokes around me.

Also, in drug tests they are not detecting drugs. They are detecting metabolites that you body produces to deal with the drug in your system. Different metabolites are produced to deal with different drugs.

DRAAGN
Post #95

I personally hope this new drug tests catches all the people on drugs ,If u dun do them u got nothing to hide if u do then reap the consequences becuase beleive me they will be coming for u ,Serves them right might stop some of the horrific accidents cuased by fools behind the wheel.

slick
Post #96

QUOTE(pulsar_ET_turbo @ Dec 4 2007, 03:26 PM) [snapback]1281688797[/snapback]

funniest, yet most uninformed shit i have read so far. it is only illegal to be in posesssion of or drive while under the influence of drugs, which is what they are testing for. in no way at all is it illegal to be on them.


thats correct. but they are testing you behind the wheel arent they.


QUOTE(Garfield Gangsta @ Dec 4 2007, 07:22 PM) [snapback]1281689689[/snapback]

dude... it's detectable in urine for the average Joe for only 1-2 weeks. An irregular user will be clean in about 6-8 days. Most extreme cases are 3-4 weeks.
Apart from your house mates blowing it directly into your face you should be pretty right.

I work in the mines and get screened every time I fly in and nearly EVERYONE i know smokes around me.



Really? so the World Anti-Doping Agency and the Australian Sports Anti-Doping Agency must be spinning sports men and women shit when they say weed can be detectable for up to 6 months afterwards?

QUOTE(Garfield Gangsta @ Dec 4 2007, 07:22 PM) [snapback]1281689689[/snapback]

Apart from your house mates blowing it directly into your face you should be pretty right.

I work in the mines and get screened every time I fly in and nearly EVERYONE i know smokes around me.


It is very possible to register a positive test from just being in the vicinity.

Phat535
Post #97

QUOTE(sreto @ Dec 4 2007, 07:17 PM) [snapback]1281689660[/snapback]

Why so you can vomit? Charcoal just makes you vomit when you take it.


oh so you've had it in a hospital then? Because I have, twice. And I can tell you it definately doesn't make you throw up. Unless you have a weak stomach and you throw up if something tastes a little bad

jazz_aboy
Post #98

exactly what i was thinking dreamension

sreto
Post #99

QUOTE
h so you've had it in a hospital then? Because I have, twice. And I can tell you it definately doesn't make you throw up. Unless you have a weak stomach and you throw up if something tastes a little bad


Actually mate, I have had it in a hospital, when I was dieing from to much alcohol in my system. The one thing I can remember from hospital was the nurse giving me charcoal and telling me this will make you vomit afterwards, tastes a bit sooty.

jazz_aboy
Post #100

QUOTE(sreto @ Dec 2 2007, 07:19 PM) [snapback]1281681819[/snapback]

Yeah mate, Im deluded. Fact is I dont do drugs, however if somebody wants to smoke a plant then thats fine by me. Sure it has side effects, you are happy, hungry, sleepy. The worst thing that can come out of over use of marijuana is vomitting. Worst thing that can come out of binge drinking is death. WOW marijuana is going to destroy our society. You must be one of those people that fears a plant, yet doesn't realise that things that have been legalized are far far more deadly. It doesnt mean you are drunk either does it now? You dont by any chance work for the government/pigs?

TOUCHDOWN bowrofl.gif thumbsup.gif bowrofl.gif

pin
Post #101

if u are a heavy user, cannabis stays in ur system for months. but in ur blood. so if they do a swab of ur tounge it wont show up unless uve smoked it recently, so ur probably still high, so u are driving while under the influence. u should get busted for that, thats fair.

51NGL
Post #102

So there only testing MDMA, THC and MEthamphetamines....


Leaves me with 3 options....

MAGIC MUSHIES

LSD/ACID

and HERION


yay!!!!!!! Good work Government....push us to harder drugs that cant be tested... head_wall.gif


/sarcasm

blues_skaterkid
Post #103

yeah stupid government, on one hand there opening up places methadone clinics so people can get there daily dose then on the other hand there busting up others..

TwinCam16
Post #104

Price of herion just went up...

51NGL
Post #105

QUOTE(blues_skaterkid @ Dec 5 2007, 03:34 PM) [snapback]1281692242[/snapback]

yeah stupid government, on one hand there opening up places methadone clinics so people can get there daily dose then on the other hand there busting up others..


seems almost contridicting....


Hey you have a drug problem...no worries come here and get your free hitts aslong as you can prove your depandent on it.

But guess what....drive down the road and we will sting you for the free drugs....


I guess thats how the government supports/funds hardcore drugs users....by stealing from other drug users on the road behind the wheel.

.....ahhhh POLITICS makes sence to me now...


/end SARCASM

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