New Impound Laws (1/7/7) - Now in effect - Information Inside :)  

Rookie ROX

How's this for an idea.

You stand in the middle of the road and I'll let you at 50km/h. Then, I'll put some uncovered gauges on the bonnet and hit you again at 50km/h. You can tell me the difference in pain when you hit the gauges.

Anyway..

ROCK ON
R~R

Philthy

Not to mention your windscreen also covered in oil when the gauges break

wat'r

I'll help clear this up.

I once worked as an investigator.... traffic accidents was one thing we did.

It is Delta-V that kills people. Going 50km/hr and stopping very quickly is about the max. speed a human can take without death occuring.

60km/hr, 100km/hr 500km/hr, train, truck, windscreen, bullbar or no bullbar, guages or no guages......the result is the same..... game over!

The guage safety thing is all total crap started by I don't know who/

Philthy

Well I will agree to disagree with you there mate. I too have experience in this field. Still do. I'm a qualified Police accident investigator. Crash scene investigator, vehicle homicide investigator. etc. Vehicles, especially modern ones are built to provide as much protection as possible in the event of a hit to a person. That does not include external guages. Yes at 50km/h a person may die but what about very low speed impacts such as 10, 20, 30km/h?

I have seen first hand what protruding items can do to a person on impact.

Mr-RX

Ouchies?

wat'r

Yeah.... I'll give you that... I agree.

I have been following this thread and thought the general topic was centered around road Deaths etc. A post or two prior to me mentioned 50km/hr so I thought we were on the whole 'death' angle.

Having said that, ( and I would be the first to say that external chrome guages, for another reason, are very dangerous ) ..... the world really is putting on a skirt these days.

I have seen pictures of a head trauma caused by the roof mounted lights on a Police car ( or rather the bracket ).... Police cars though still have the lights there however.

Now..... if every car on he road had guages on the bonnet.... I could see a problem...but they don't.
There is a dis-proportionate amount of energy and time put into 'fringe little problems'.... like the 1 in 10,000 cars with external guages.

BTW ... I'm no rebel. My car is legal and I'm the 1st to tell anyone, ' stick to the rules' .... but there are a couple of subjects.... like the external guages argument.... that crack me up

Philthy

I agree with you there too to a certain degree.
The thing is though, there has to be a minimum standard. Okay so yes very few cars are fitted with gauges and even fewer have caused any kind of injury but let's say we take the rule away and let everyone have gauges on their bonnets or protruding wings etc. Soon there will be thousands of the things and then the problems will start.

wat'r

Yes and no I think...

If you took the external guages rule away.... There might then only be 2 in 10,000 who get them.... because it is only hard core 'car enthuists' that want them and the average local 'drop kick' / $500 VK driving hoon ....can't afford them ( they are bloody expensive pieces of kit )..... but yes, wings then 50mm ride heights etc, etc.... there has to be a line in the sand.

I just scratch my head though.

Here is an example of what I mean.

If the Police want to catch some real dangerous stuff happening in broad daylight..... just go down to Moss street in Slacks Creek. Every 10 minutes there is someone doing at least 80 or 90 down the street during the middle of the day in the working week. I have nearly been cleaned up twice in the last month there. Real dangerous shit. But I have NEVER, even once , SEEN a Police car drive , let alone 'park up' in that area.

No I know Police can't be everywhere.... but they just don't seem to target the obvious IMO.

And this is my point..... the 10 hours a month spent by Traffic Branch getting the odd enthusist for external guages ( for example ) could be better spent somewhere like Moss street.

PS I know the whole 'spread everywhere a little bit idea'. This is not so much the Police fault.... it comes from government policy ( or ill-advised policy ) and probably resources mixed in a bit with ' lets just do what the majority want.... as long as it makes us look good

end rant.

Philthy

The thing with Gauges is that they are in your face and unmissable. We don't go out specifically to target cars with gauges but they are a bit of a give away. As they say where there is smoke there is fire. Where there are gauges there is usually half a dozen other illegal mods

People may feel that the police only spend their time picking on modded cars but that is because it directly involves them so thats the time that they come into contact with police. Believe me the Police also do other things.

People who own guns could say the police pick on them because there are no ifs or buts when it comes to gun safes. They have to be of a certain and very strict specification otherwise you dont get your gun licence. Gun owners might say "Geez havn't the police got better things to do than worry if my safe is legal or not. Thats just one example. I'm sure there are lots of other people who feel the Police are "picking on them" because the only contact they have with police is when it involves their hobby or interest.

Unfortuantly the car scene is very out there for the whole world to see. It happens in very public places and therefore comes under heavy scrutiny from the general public. It is also therefore easy for police to see too. Unfortunatly for every one person on here who is un happy about modification laws there are 50 middle aged middle Australians who are more than happy with the modification laws and expect the police to enforce them. These are the people that the politicians listen to and the police are employed to enforce the rules that the politicians come up with.

2BNVS

damn i need to find out 100% what can be mod plated... looks like the car will be coming off the road very soon i think...

ben...

wat'r

Yes... it there is a perception problem by our community too.

The other day I followed a MC cop for about 1/2 an hour from Minden on the HWY.

He had just finished pulling over a familly trolley for bicycles mounted on the rear and blocking the number plate, IGNORED the heavilly modded Monaro at Ipswich and pulled over a white van.... for I don't know what????? ( possibily dring in the right hand lane for too long )

I thought the Monaro was toast.... but he let it go in favour of the standard van driven by a 50 year old.

So yeah.

frankxinyu

i dont want to talk about politics, but funny enough

beatie is the one re-elected by everyone...funny ppl think labour party will represent mid-poor ppl..........

u know this pretty much shows how smart queenslanders are...

after what peter beatie has done for the last 8 years.....

tuff shit...you are the one chose to elect the lovely beatie...no water? whos fucken fault is that? and now they are bringing in this bullshit law.....

i thought china had human right problems

13btfc3s

im curious about the rule/law that allows ppl wif race rally cars wif there cams or other associated licences to b able to drive there baby to the track or r they open to b bent over by the new penalty's as well???

Rookie ROX

Winner.

Seriously, gauges aren't that expensive. I've seen quite a few VN/VP/VR/VT Commodores doofing around with fully sik gauges, a majority of the time monitoring functions they don't have or their instrument cluster has stock. When you're getting them for looks, accuracy doesn't matter, $100 gets you a gauge in a cup.

As for impact speeds, I used 50km/h for a reason. It's the speed where you have a chance if you get taken out. If I'm going to get hit, I'd like to have as much chance as I possibly can. Getting three cups to the head isn't helping.



Interesting. I quite regularly here of people fined for something along Moss St.



See it's these stories that never seem to filter back. Nice example of how 'hoons' aren't a target. But it's not interesting so all the other people who see the same thing ignore it, but the one time they see an import being pulled over, quick onto Boost, post about it, police vs hoons, let's go do burnouts in front of Parliament House.

Anyway..

13btfc3s - Those people have ALWAYS been open to police attention. Unless they have Conditional Use registration, they have no difference to Fast Freddy when on the roads.

ROCK ON
R~R

BDWO6

ok let me clear this up for u all, i have 4 gauges and 4 shift lights on my bonnet. i for one dont want hot oil on my face if it were to brake, i think the windscreeen is a better option. plus there is no way in hell the gauges would do any more damage then teh car would itself to a pedestrian, u can neally push my gauges off with a feather haha. its just another thing to defect. id be happy to remove them if someone was to provide me with a just reason as to why they shouldnt be there. " becuase u will get finend" aint enough lol.

so what about superchragers hanging out?

maxrs

Simple, easy money. Try raising that amount off money out of Real criminals.

I saw a kid die at Deception bay a few years ago. The car was doing about 50, he hit the windscreen and was thrown around 3m in the air. An extra gash from a guage would have made no difference.

maxrs

Middle aged politicians are great at making laws that don't effect them.
The Police can interpret the law depending on how they woke up.

Thank you for your input Philthy. Nice to see the boys on board.

Philthy

I think you answered your own question mate. Protruding superchargers are aslo defective.





I think the revenue raising arguement has been done until its dead and buried.
We were also talking about being hit at lower speeds than 50Km/h. As I have said. It's a minimum standard.
If you allow guages, do you then allow bonnet orniments, over sized scoops etc etc.

Happy to be here mate. Believe it or not I also pour my spare cash into my car. If I had never got into cars I'd be a rich man by now, however I got bitten by the bug when I was 17. I do keep everything legal though (obviously) lol

2BNVS

time for xr6t and boost that up, or latest hsv gts, reflash ecu, cam there u go decent power that will fry tyres like no tomorrow...

i have a shitload of mods on my car close to 40 id say if u wanna get nitty gritty, ive recently moved to qld although the car is finally getting tuned back home in nsw, where an engineer looked at it and said no drama's everything is sweet... i'll ned to find out some solid evidence on what can be mod plated and what cant... whats the point of mod plating the car, if u still got 1 thing they can get u for, spend all the money on nothing


time for a cage, auto and nos (for when she comes off the streets)

BDWO6

for when she comes off the street haha it aint ever going on the street bonza haha

PLAPLA05

man..gee wizz..dam....fark....OMFG!!!!shit..this is getting worse..yea..i was thinking ov buying an f6 sedan and add exhaust..ecu..boost:)..should see around the 300 mark:D...but yea..this is kinda gettin gay

2BNVS

lol rod ur a stoge mate, get back in ur chopped springs r33 on 20s with ur glued on gauges that dont work

DAL32

LOL!!!!!

suicidaL

yay, looks like we are going to see alot more high speed pursuits,

just dont get caught its that easy

51CMR

i spoke with the police officer from my work last nihgt and he seem to think this is a load of crap and that the only time he had ever heard of different laws for different shires was ages ago when they did a trial thing with high speed chases

BDWO6

oih dont laugh at my bonnet gauges, there hektik alright hahaha

Andrew_OYE44

Cant be bothered reading all 13 pages but ill add my 2cents worth.

This is absolutely fucking ridiculous. Totally agree with the confiscation laws for hoon behaviour (street racing, burnouts etc) as that is an easy choice to make. But i DO NOT agree with defects being included in hoon legislation. For a variety of reasons.

1) Anyone ever had a headlight bulb blow out? Sure you replace it as soon as you can, but usually you only work it out by driving down the road and going "oh shit, my headlights are dull". For that now, you could have your car confiscated.

2) Anyone ever been pulled over by a cop attempting to defect your car with no f**king idea what he is talking about? I have, and recieved a $75 1 point fine for nothing illegal. Sure, that is shitful enough on its own, but now, UNLESS they are also going to change the laws regarding which police officers can hand out defects, police with no mechanical knowledge will be able to confiscate your vehicle, potentially for no reason.

As i was informed by the cop when i got my defect, it is at HIS DISCRECION. He doesnt have to know that it is illegal, just needs to suspect. As i say, unless they change that law, they can confiscate your vehicle on the SUSPICION that it might be illegal.

3) Punishments are supposed to be relevant to the level of the crime committed, and im fairly sure that is well and truly over the top for driving a defective vehicle.

Sure, some people to have genuinely dangerously modified vehicles, and choose to drive them knowingly, but that is why we have different levels of penalties (with different demerit points associated), depending on how serious your defect is.

I actually feel strongly enough about this law to write a letter to my local member, and not because i think we should be able to get away with driving a defective vehicle, but because i feel that these laws are not only unjust, but are open to be abused by power tripping police officers, and will allow them to punish genuine car enthusiasts who are not breaking the law.

More than one letter will be more affective though - PM me if your intersted.

Cheers

Andrew

P.S. I will be holding off untill something is published on an official govt site so i dont look like a total ass.

VS Style

[quote name='RB120WHY' date='Jul 4 2007, 04:02 PM' post='1281213361']
I'm saving up to buy a Ferrari :hsdance
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You and me both...

[quote name='RB120WHY' date='Jul 4 2007, 04:29 PM' post='1281213443']
I think most of Boostcruising will be
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Yeah the sites now going ot be called legalcruising..... if your cars not legal your fucked

[quote name='MD0086' date='Jul 4 2007, 10:54 PM' post='1281214838']
that may be the law but I doubt it will be enforced that way

that interstate bit sucks
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I think you have enough worries about your car being legal now without the extra rules coming in.... brake fluid anyone

[quote name='wat'r' date='Jul 5 2007, 01:51 AM' post='1281215123']
Here's one for everyone to think about......

I've spent about $750 all up on my exhaust to make 96dB but.....

What if I have an RX2 with 'standard exhaust' and then bridge port the engine. I would have over 100dB (as I did and did actually have over 100dB).

So that means I can have a standard exhaust.....putting out over 100dB.

Could I argue that the exhaust is totally standard...therefore how can it be illegal?

I have chosen to do my own exhaust though to get 96dB.

If I ever get pulled over for my exhaust..... there is going to be a long conversation to explain the whole situation I think :
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Sweet so i get a tune for the clubby with the HSV exhaust it produces more noise with the same sided exhaust

[quote name='200sx_s13' date='Jul 5 2007, 02:02 AM' post='1281215132']
the standard diameter would work as if this wasnt possible then all exhaust shops would be out of business as they wouldnt be needed, as what else cud u do other than get a new exhaust made the same size after an old one wears away?
also u need a catalyic conveter as there is huge fines for having none as its enviromental law breach. but yeh same size as factory fitted and same db level is what i was advised was needed
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The catalic converter rules have been there for years the fine if i remember is in the $1000's....

[quote name='OXY-351' date='Jul 5 2007, 08:10 AM' post='1281215314']
Fuck this shit man. In the words of a legend:

"If they block the highway so I've got nowhere to go, I'll hit the nitrous and hit them at about 250 K an hour 'n we can all go to hell together"

http://www.hoon.tk/movie/clips/TT191002.avi
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AHAHAHHAAHAHHA fuck i hate that anna koren (sp) mole, she looks like she needs a good dicking

[quote name='FC3STURBO' date='Jul 5 2007, 01:44 PM' post='1281216388']
is it illegal to not run a bov at all? don't think it would be, as it all stays in the piping?
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Plumbed back is alright isnt it?

[quote name='BDWO6' date='Jul 5 2007, 01:52 PM' post='1281216416']
its not the cops fault at all, its the stooges with no idea making the laws? do they really think this will take hoons of the road? even if it got to teh point were u can not modify a car at all or you loose your cars straight away, people will still do stupid things in stock cars? once its in your blood its in your blood, hoons will be hoons no matter wat laws are made.

fuck insetad of spending 50g on an r33, ill just buy a hsv with 300kw and standard, at the end of the day i wont get defected but fuck me i can stil lspeed do burnouts drink drive and be an all round cockhead on the road. point is, these new laws are stupid. we as car enthuisiasts need to put preasure on eacother to behiave basically, or well all kill it for eachother, i no its a far out concept but hey peer preasure does go along way, the law doesnt work so what else do we have?
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Woo hoo for LS1's or any V8, the best advantage a V8 has is you can make bullshit power without doing anything that can be seen to be illegal ...

in my case..
Standard HSV exhaust
LS1 edit
Cam
3.9 diff gears
= more fun that I could poke a stick at.... and would make more power than most cars on here.... with the added bonus of looking stock and having modifications which can't be seen to comment on.... ... bring back the old school cars...

[quote name='51EZE' date='Jul 5 2007, 07:59 PM' post='1281217586']
so iguess bags are ilegal haha.
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Always have been in QLD

[quote name='Zirtech' date='Jul 5 2007, 08:20 PM' post='1281217638']
3 break and enters with a good lawyer and i can still break into anybodies house i want! steel their cars [/quote]
Yes but you would want to hope that you aren't on your 3rd offense and hoe the car is legal otherwise you will get the car impounded after all now if you steal a car you have to first make sure its legal to drive :-P

[quote name='Rookie ROX' date='Jul 7 2007, 08:31 AM' post='1281221044']
being pulled over, quick onto Boost, post about it, police vs hoons, let's go do burnouts in front of Parliament
ROCK ON
R~R
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The burnout infront of Parliment house has already been done.... I think it was a black SS or dark blue.... shit loads of smoke and hell funny....

Now ive read through most of this and realised something that I think most people have overlooked. Now correct me if I'm wrong but my insurance policy askes me a few questions which determines my excess and whether I am eligable for insurance.
A) Am I able to get insurance (ie haven't been turned down or had something fucked with another insurance company), haven't had cars which have been confiscated etc...
B) Have a car which is legal
C) if the car has any modifications
D) My driving history
E) (the big one) if I have ever been to court for a driving infringement..

Now if I start going to court over Defects and have a car with an exhaust which to loud does this mean my insurance company will void my insurance should I have an accident because the car which was being insured was illegal?

Or will this mean that my excess goes through the roof.... hmmmm

Ill be back and edit this when I get time but for now laters

nissanetturbo

I hope there be a riot against this shit, its ok to have impound laws to only affect dangerous driving but to impound a car because it is defectable? what crap

BoostedDave

So what about bodykits and rims and stuff, they arent standard, that means there illegal without a mod plate?? Can you get a mod plate for bigger rims, bodykits, lowered suspension etc etc?? Does anyone have a list of things that can be mod plated/cant be mod plated?? Or point me to a link?

GreekWarrior

You're allowed to change the wheels, put a bodykit and lower your car ...they're not illegal mods..as long as you follow the guidelines regarding them that is.

Rookie ROX

*sigh*

All the "everything is defectable" comments are just uninformed crap.

http://www.dotars.gov.au/roads/safety/bulletin/vsb_ncop.aspx

Everything you need to know

ROCK ON
R~R

Andrew_OYE44

Rookie,

Incase you are referring to my post (if not, ill clarify for everyone anyway), Not everything is illegal, however, UNLESS the laws have changed in the last 18odd months, officers that give out defects DONT NEED TO KNOW for sure that it is illegal. They just need to SUSPECT. I SUSPECT that your intercooler does not comply. I SUSPECT that that gauge in there is illegal. If this doesnt change, it will allow you to have your car confiscated on SUSPICION, when you may have a car that is completely compliant.

While its all well and good to modify your car within the law, it doesnt make you safe due to police discrecionary powers. Sure, you may get off, but what a massive fuck around. Having your car confiscated for 48 hours (possibly longer depending on the offence) and then going to court to prove you havent done anything wrong?

And im not just throwing random bullshit around, somewhere in the bottom of the box of paperwork sitting on my desk now, i still have the defect notice that has four items on them with "suspect" written next to them, later deemed by Queensland Transport as being legal modifications.

Andrew

Rookie ROX

Why do you always assume I'm talking about you? That's the third time you've done that now...

Anyway. The 48 hour impoundment is for the SECOND offence. So you've got to have been done once before. If it's cleared, there's no ticket, no offence, still at square one. For your third and fourth offences, the court must approve the 3 month impoundment and confiscation first, same deal happens if it's thrown out.

Once again the use of discretionary powers are being brought up as their only use to specifically target hoons, and that's why they were originally introduced. I know the use of suspicion has led to some very big arrests, seizures and canaries, vehicles that were so unroadworthy it wasn't even funny. It's there for a reason.

Everyone is still over reacting. Nothing has changed in what you can and cannot do to your vehicle. It's simply the punishment for REPEAT OFFENDERS.

Few people here cared when they got a 1 point defect, because of this and the rate of recidivism, they've taken note and stepped up the punishment to something that people will take some real notice of.

Having said that, I'm still struggling to find any legislative recognition of this and I've been wading through Acts, Amendments and Bills, QPS Media Releases and there's nothing been mentioned. I've been looking through the papers mentioned and oddly enough still can't find any articles there, two articles in different papers though...

ROCK ON
R~R

tissue

But how do you expect an officer to know the legalities of every possible product out there, or to even know if something may be defective but they cannot check easily (i.e. loudness of an exhaust)? Shouldnt the blame on any modification with suspect legality be in the hands of the owner? You cant expect police officers to be mechanics as well.

I would be very surprised if they were confiscating for minor defects anyway, its more for major defects. I gladly support the confiscation of cars with bald tyres or chopped springs and so would the courts.