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crimson
Post #36
QUOTE(FHA57 @ Oct 5 2005, 09:57 PM) ahhah question my knowledge well sorry mr toyota tech bwhahhaha look at wat i own u dont think i know a thing or 2 about it yes 7mgte can b transferred into a good motor but lots of stuff is needed for this every magazine on a 7mgte reads that its classed as a truck motor and ever person that ive known with the engines want to swap a 1jz into them nuff said  [right][snapback]5418915[/snapback][/right] the hardest thing you will ever do is convince a stupid person that they are stupid. |
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The Pupat
Post #37
QUOTE(FHA57 @ Oct 5 2005, 09:57 PM) ahhah question my knowledge well sorry mr toyota tech bwhahhaha look at wat i own u dont think i know a thing or 2 about it yes 7mgte can b transferred into a good motor but lots of stuff is needed for this every magazine on a 7mgte reads that its classed as a truck motor and ever person that ive known with the engines want to swap a 1jz into them nuff said  [right][snapback]5418915[/snapback][/right] And everybody removes the 3RZ from a hilux and replaces it with a "superior" 1g-gte. A lot of people also commit suicide so that's obviously a smart thing to do also. The moral is some people are dumb and just like wasting money. |
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psi999
Post #40
QUOTE(crimson @ Oct 5 2005, 09:52 PM) not to mention the costs of getting a 7m into a 32... oh and there is more to a 9 second car than the engine. [right][snapback]5418906[/snapback][/right] Dude no one is talking about the car, or cost of running a 9 sec pass.... Let me remind you what you said. QUOTE .... i realised this is what i know about certain toyota engines .... 7M-GTE .... i hope you like watching black smoke pour out from under your bonnet. these things love to eat head gaskets, among other things... all in all, they are about as reliable as john howard ..... .... there's a lot i dont know and im sure there are people already lined up to argue me, prove me wrong, or point out my mistakes.... Running 9 sec at 140mph with an $2000 engine would tell me that they would have to be a bloody good thing, sure stock they do have a few small issues but few easy steps and you have the potential to run reliable 9's at massive MPH for very small $'s..... that in my book makes it a very good engine, or are you still going to argue the point?. But this will be my last post on this subject i've got better things to do and over the years on BC i've learnt never to argue with a fool, they tend to beat you down to their level and beat you with experience. |
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mz20_drifter
Post #41
QUOTE Stop that everyone knows 7M's are shit though. wat r u running? i got a 7mgte in my mz20. they go hard. 1 of my mates 7m has 700+hp @the wheels. and also have a look @ some ma70 supras on cardomain i think theirs 1 wid ova 800hp. also lets not forget the good ol 3tgte |
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The Pupat
Post #44
QUOTE(mz20_drifter @ Oct 5 2005, 10:04 PM) wat r u running? i got a 7mgte in my mz20. they go hard. 1 of my mates 7m has 700+hp @the wheels. and also have a look @ some ma70 supras on cardomain i think theirs 1 wid ova 800hp. also lets not forget the good ol 3tgte [right][snapback]5418935[/snapback][/right] You need to learn to read everything mate. Ohh and an ability to judge when people are being sarcastic would help also. You don't have to sell them to me. I actually reckon they are an awesome thing. |
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crimson
Post #45
QUOTE(psi999 @ Oct 5 2005, 10:03 PM) Dude no one is talking about the car, or cost of running a 9 sec pass.... Let me remind you what you said. Running 9 sec at 140mph with an $2000 engine would tell me that they would have to be a bloody good thing, sure stock they do have a few small issues but few easy steps and you have the potential to run reliable 9's at massive MPH for very small $'s..... that in my book makes it a very good engine, or are you still going to argue the point?. But this will be my last post on this subject i've got better things to do and over the years on BC i've learnt never to argue with a fool, they tend to beat you down to their level and beat you with experience. [right][snapback]5418931[/snapback][/right] i wasnt disagreeing with you, just pointing out possible flaws in the arguments for the 7m. like i said, people will prove me wrong, i have no personal experience with the 7M-GTE, just numerous horror stories. |
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crimson
Post #49
QUOTE(lo_rolla @ Oct 5 2005, 08:33 PM) 3SGE / GTE have extremely sturdy rods. The rods in a 3SGE are harder to bend then RB26DETT rods (I've tried) [right][snapback]5418632[/snapback][/right] QUOTE(Sciclone @ Oct 5 2005, 10:17 PM) just a side note.... the main achilles heel of the 3S-GTE is the conrods, they are prone to breaking under higher than normal boost applications, [right][snapback]5418970[/snapback][/right] hmmm.....  |
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hoges
Post #50
yeah nuthin wrong with 7Ms, my bro's MA70 supra pulled so hard! such a fun car to drive! well until it mysteriously blew up after having some work done at a well known workshop... so now it has either a blown ring or cracked piston, and he was tossing up whether to rebuild it or swap a 1J in there. i personally think he should rebuild, as there was a lot of work done on the engine, the pistons are hpc coated stockies, and the rods are stock, but it has a hks MHG, arp studs and bolts, balanced crank, 650cc injectors, fmic, rebuilt turbo, wolf and a bunch of other goodies. if he were to swap for a 1J he would have to start again with a basically stock motor, which would be a backwards step. |
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The Pupat
Post #53
QUOTE(hoges @ Oct 5 2005, 10:29 PM) yeah nuthin wrong with 7Ms, my bro's MA70 supra pulled so hard! such a fun car to drive! well until it mysteriously blew up after having some work done at a well known workshop... so now it has either a blown ring or cracked piston, and he was tossing up whether to rebuild it or swap a 1J in there. i personally think he should rebuild, as there was a lot of work done on the engine, the pistons are hpc coated stockies, and the rods are stock, but it has a hks MHG, arp studs and bolts, balanced crank, 650cc injectors, fmic, rebuilt turbo, wolf and a bunch of other goodies. if he were to swap for a 1J he would have to start again with a basically stock motor, which would be a backwards step. I rekon if he puts some JE or CP forgies in he should be able to get away with it for around $4k all said and done and have a pretty tough motor! It put down 213kw after the dodgy work was done, so with some more boost and built internals he should be looking at the high side of 250rwkw with no problems. And remember kids, whats the thing that trucks need the most, thats right, torque! so dont go chucking those "truck motors" out just yet  [right][snapback]5419000[/snapback][/right] That an easy solution. The TRP skyline was putting out 400rwkw's on optimax through a big stall C4 auto all with a truck motor with less internal mods than your brother will have. |
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GTRVspec95
Post #54
Holy fark that was a long read though informative |
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CSX 16
Post #55
QUOTE(crimson @ Oct 5 2005, 07:26 PM) 7M-GTE 2954cc DOHC turbo/twin turbo(?) I6 - yes, similar in basic spec to the 2JZ, and yes they have potential... but i hope you like watching black smoke pour out from under your bonnet. these things love to eat head gaskets, among other things... all in all, they are about as reliable as john howard (having said that, lets plz not make this poltical...) [right][snapback]5418345[/snapback][/right] 7M-GTE are single turbo, once you retorque the head bolts they are a mega reliable and very strong motor. As reliable as John Howard? Well you must like John Howard a lot to say that  .QUOTE(crimson @ Oct 5 2005, 08:06 PM) i cant find any official specs for rod millen's cars, but it is common knowledge that he does tune 3s-gte's to over 700kw (they are heavily modded though, ~2100cc etc) but dont forget that they are more reliable, not all out tune like a drag car because: - it takes at least 10 minutes to get up pikes peak (rod millen holds the record in, guess what, yes his 3S-GTE powered celica...10:04.06 achieved in 1994!!!) - the altitude difference is crazy, 14,000 feet above sea level... the air is much thinner at that height... by the top the cars might be running on only half the power they had at the bottom, especially when running insane levels of boost like RM. -rally car's are generally built to be quite reliable due to the adverse conditions they constantly face another tribute to the greatness of the 3s-gte is that most of the supras in the JGTC were running them for many years, instead of the great 2JZ!!! here is a link relating to the 3s-GTE, but its not that great. http://kaferjca0.tripod.com/3sgteinfo.htm  [right][snapback]5418531[/snapback][/right] You're on the right track there. The car that 3sgte is in was a hillclimb car which is very very different to a rally car. It wasn't a celica, it was a toyota Tacouma(sp) and if you watch the videos of the car you'll see that the car is about as far from standard as you can get. It has a massive aerodynamics package with huge wings to get the downforce he needs to send it sideways at close to 200km/h right next to the edge of sheer cliffs. QUOTE(ej20t-vw @ Oct 5 2005, 08:59 PM) Lol, just get an ae71 corolla, the last of the rear drive ones. Sprinters are just way too expensive to use as bush bashers now. [right][snapback]5418741[/snapback][/right] Personally I wouldn't use an ae71 corolla as a bush basher, replacement front end parts are a fucking mission to get for these cars now because they don't make any aftermarket front end parts so there are only 2nd hand ones to buy (and they are highly in demand). |
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Matyi
Post #60
man someone needs to clean up this thread.... |
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Jezboosted
Post #61
Man this started as a specs post and now you guys are trying to compare motors ? FFS everyone know the 1jz/2jz replaced the 7MGTE. Yes the 1jz a better designed engine... but in no way is the 7mgte a slouch. |
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speed racer
Post #62
I just blew up my mr2...so if anyone knows of a 3s for sale.....send them my way please |
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speed racer
Post #67
QUOTE(Jezboosted @ Oct 6 2005, 10:50 AM) LMFAO at speed racers Avatar i'll put it in your ass too !! [right][snapback]5419660[/snapback][/right] like fucking hell you will |
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Mookie
Post #68
I was gunna say he missed the 1ggze the supercharged version of the 1ggte. |
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