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Post #1 post 13th June 2012 - 12:46 AM
Hey guys, got pulled over the other day and fined/defected for multiple things, the worst being 3 demerit points for having a seatbelt that did not retract quick enough. Along with this a $278 fine :neutral:

Just wondering, what are the chances of a welded diff passing a blueslip? Is there a specific law that states your wheels must be able to spin indepently or something around those terms?

Cheers for any help

Josh

also-anyone got a drivers side s13 seatbelt assembly?
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1JZ-CHRISEDA
Post #2

well every RWC ive ever had to get(legit) ones theyve never driven the car, jacked it up and spun the wheels..... maybe if you drive car in there and they hear it ?? look out other then that dont sress..

Love Tappers
Post #3

QUOTE (1JZ-CHRISEDA @ Jun 13 2012, 06:51 PM) *
well every RWC ive ever had to get(legit) ones theyve never driven the car, jacked it up and spun the wheels..... maybe if you drive car in there and they hear it ?? look out other then that dont sress..



They are supposed to test drive the car so they are able to check the brake stopping percentage.

But even so they will pick it up as soon as they go to drive it onto the hoist.

pvk308
Post #4

all locked, spooled and welded diff are illegal any descent RWC station will not pass them

sr_silvia
Post #5

QUOTE (josh333 @ Jun 13 2012, 06:46 PM) *
Hey guys, got pulled over the other day and fined/defected for multiple things, the worst being 3 demerit points for having a seatbelt that did not retract quick enough. Along with this a $278 fine :neutral:

Just wondering, what are the chances of a welded diff passing a blueslip? Is there a specific law that states your wheels must be able to spin indepently or something around those terms?

Cheers for any help

Josh

also-anyone got a drivers side s13 seatbelt assembly?


The bolded part doesn't add up, I've never heard of anyone getting fined for that? Heard of issues with frayed seat belts etc and not passing RWC for not retracting but the speed part is new. And someone correct me if I'm wrong but I thought 3 points usually has a $333 fine.

Love Tappers
Post #6

QUOTE (sr_silvia @ Jun 13 2012, 08:18 PM) *
The bolded part doesn't add up, I've never heard of anyone getting fined for that? Heard of issues with frayed seat belts etc and not passing RWC for not retracting but the speed part is new. And someone correct me if I'm wrong but I thought 3 points usually has a $333 fine.


I would say it wasn't retracting at all and needed help.

Twat In The Hat
Post #7

I'm sure the reason on the fine doesn't say 'not retracting quick enough'. If it doesn't retract properly, then it's faulty. Quite simple really.

EUniqe
Post #8

if you're stupid enough to weld your diff, then you're stupid enough to drive it on the street without rego.

josh333
Post #9

QUOTE (Twat In The Hat @ Jun 13 2012, 09:52 PM) *
I'm sure the reason on the fine doesn't say 'not retracting quick enough'. If it doesn't retract properly, then it's faulty. Quite simple really.


I quote "Seatbelt does not retract at an acceptable speed - Use of vehicle not comply with standard seatbelt defective"

Last cost was of the top of my head, it was $265 3 points

josh333
Post #10

QUOTE (EUniqe @ Jun 13 2012, 10:17 PM) *
if you're stupid enough to weld your diff, then you're stupid enough to drive it on the street without rego.


if you say so mate, why do you think welding a diff is stupid? Sure, it's probably not the most practical thing to do but I dont see how you can say it's stupid

Twat In The Hat
Post #11

QUOTE (josh333 @ Jun 13 2012, 10:23 PM) *
if you say so mate, why do you think welding a diff is stupid? Sure, it's probably not the most practical thing to do but I dont see how you can say it's stupid


So am I right in saying that both wheels spin at the exact same speed all the time?

_Ben
Post #12

QUOTE (Twat In The Hat @ Jun 13 2012, 09:38 PM) *
So am I right in saying that both wheels spin at the exact same speed all the time?

On wet roads, how could it possibly go wrong?

Twat In The Hat
Post #13

QUOTE (_Ben @ Jun 13 2012, 10:59 PM) *
On wet roads, how could it possibly go wrong?


I don't understand why people do it. I really don't. Is it just for the sake of pulling a hektic 2 wheel skid?

TTS
Post #14

QUOTE (Twat In The Hat @ Jun 13 2012, 10:02 PM) *
I don't understand why people do it. I really don't. Is it just for the sake of pulling a hektic 2 wheel skid?


It's more people being cheap and not wanting to buy an LSD. x2 for the wet weather. Even driving normally/sedately, you can still loose it very easily with a locker.

Wraith
Post #15

QUOTE (Twat In The Hat @ Jun 13 2012, 10:02 PM) *
I don't understand why people do it. I really don't. Is it just for the sake of pulling a hektic 2 wheel skid?


Cheap and easy way to make sure your car will spin doubles all the time. Till an axle or the weld breaks anyway.

TTS
Post #16

QUOTE (Wraith @ Jun 13 2012, 10:26 PM) *
Cheap and easy way to make sure your car will spin doubles all the time. Till an axle or the weld breaks anyway.


Depends on how much power you have hsdance.gif

Joyrid3r
Post #17

QUOTE (josh333 @ Jun 13 2012, 09:23 PM) *
if you say so mate, why do you think welding a diff is stupid? Sure, it's probably not the most practical thing to do but I dont see how you can say it's stupid

Don't you think, if it was such a "super fantastic brilliant happy" idea, all car manufacturers would have it as standard?

There is quite a difference between "limited slip" and welded diffs....pretty obvious, given the name of the legal variety.

vk134
Post #18

QUOTE (josh333 @ Jun 13 2012, 09:23 PM) *
if you say so mate, why do you think welding a diff is stupid? Sure, it's probably not the most practical thing to do but I dont see how you can say it's stupid


I think if you put "welded diff or CIG locker along with ineffective seatbelt" you may find lots of accident reports or coroners reports with key words like contributing factor, failure point and fundamental flaw in the wording.

the basic issue here is the vehicle under power can go from understeer to power oversteer quicker than you could ever react, or more importantly the other sensible drivers in roadworthy cars, just get a LSD or LOKKA, cheap enough nowdays for most cars, if you feel the need to go fully hektic sik bro on the street.

TwinCam16
Post #19

Why is the locker illegal?

I can't believe what I see sometimes. If you REALLY have to ask that question the you shouldn't have one to start with as you CLEARLY don't understand what happens when both wheels are locked on a corner in the wet...

pvk308
Post #20

^^^^ this x 2 with the addition of having the diff welded

josh333
Post #21

wow guys, really helpful!! How many of you have actually driven with locked diffs? I just passed my rego check with it but now that I have been defected, I wanted to know if it would pass a blueslip. I wasn't asking for explanations and sarcastic comments about how stupid and dangerous it is.

After driving 7000km in 3 months with this diff, i've had one close call in the wet where I understeered upon entering a round about. Other than that, if you aren't stupid with your throttle control in the wet, it's not as dangerous as you're all making out. I am not saying it's safe, but it's not that different to a harsh 2 way in the wet.

Depending on how you drive, grip - especially in the dry can increase. Before when cornering hard my rear inside wheel would leave, or almost leave the ground thus sending all power to it, no such problem now.

" if it was such a "super fantastic brilliant happy" idea, all car manufacturers would have it as standard? "

who said it was a super fantastic brilliant happy idea? this post isn't even worth replying to
ausjd2703
Post #22

it's illegal you got caught so fix it. who cares what you think, the law is the law. so shut up cop the fine and switch the diff out so you don't get fined again!
if you keep the welded diff, you deserve all the fines you get.
dont get whats so hard to understand, locked diffs in cars that are not designed for locked diffs do not handle well, the suspension geometry is set up differently. no matter how good you think it is there is a reason why no road cars use locked diff's any more! wavey.gif

josh333
Post #23

QUOTE (ausjd2703 @ Jun 14 2012, 01:09 PM) *
it's illegal you got caught so fix it. who cares what you think, the law is the law. so shut up cop the fine and switch the diff out so you don't get fined again!
if you keep the welded diff, you deserve all the fines you get.
dont get whats so hard to understand, locked diffs in cars that are not designed for locked diffs do not handle well, the suspension geometry is set up differently. no matter how good you think it is there is a reason why no road cars use locked diff's any more! wavey.gif


Once again, I did not get fined for my diff. I asked if it was legal, i've got my answer.

Thanks

Richie217
Post #24

QUOTE (josh333 @ Jun 14 2012, 11:52 AM) *
After driving 7000km in 3 months with this diff, i've had one close call in the wet where I understeered upon entering a round about. Other than that, if you aren't stupid with your throttle control in the wet, it's not as dangerous as you're all making out. I am not saying it's safe, but it's not that different to a harsh 2 way in the wet.


Good luck trying to explain that to your insurance company (or a Judge) when you crash into another car (or worse hurt someone).

TTS
Post #25

QUOTE (josh333 @ Jun 14 2012, 11:52 AM) *
After driving 7000km in 3 months with this diff, i've had one close call in the wet where I understeered upon entering a round about. Other than that, if you aren't stupid with your throttle control in the wet, it's not as dangerous as you're all making out. I am not saying it's safe, but it's not that different to a harsh 2 way in the wet.


Wow only 3 months and 1 close call? Damn, that's not dangerous at all. rolleyes.gif Also, having a 2-way tightened so much that it acts like a locker is just as dangerous.

Also, you don't need throttle to loose it in the wet. Off-cambered corners, weight transition, etc can all cause it too.

TwinCam16
Post #26

As bad as this sounds, i hope you have a nasty acco and CTP is void for you, meaning you pay all medical bills for whatever sucker you take out.

Richie217
Post #27

QUOTE (TwinCam16 @ Jun 14 2012, 01:43 PM) *
As bad as this sounds, i hope you have a nasty acco and CTP is void for you, meaning you pay all medical bills for whatever sucker you take out.


Part of me agrees with you, the more rational part of me realises that if this numpty can't fork out the cash for a LSD then they probably wouldn't be able to pay for the medical bills.

If someone declares bankruptcy after being issued with a court imposed fine is the debt still owed? (Sorry if that comes across as ignorant but I have zero experience with either bankruptcy or court orders).

mark1414
Post #28

QUOTE (Richie217 @ Jun 14 2012, 02:08 PM) *
Part of me agrees with you, the more rational part of me realises that if this numpty can't fork out the cash for a LSD then they probably wouldn't be able to pay for the medical bills.

If someone declares bankruptcy after being issued with a court imposed fine is the debt still owed? (Sorry if that comes across as ignorant but I have zero experience with either bankruptcy or court orders).


Of course not, that's how bankruptcy works. However, there is some sort of 'pecking' order on your assets and I would imagine a court order would be near the top..

Source: someone who has not declared bankruptcy.

ausjd2703
Post #29

scary this happens like that swimmer nick darcy. declares bankruptcy and doesnt pay a cent more mean while who ever you owe money too is screwed.....
some real scum out there

Shazz058
Post #30

To add to the welded diff topic, I had a bluebird with an sr20 that had a welded diff (Nigh on impossible to get an LSD for an H190) and it was my daily driver for a good three years. I never had one close call because of the diff, you just have to drive sensibly and not be a dickhead and remember that you aren't driving with an open center. At least welded diffs are predictable, unlike shitty, worn LSD's.

stockmy00
Post #31

Dude if you want to weld your diff for a cheap track only drifter then that's fine, but if you're going to drive that on the street.... I hope you slide over a traffic island, hit the gutter, do a barrel roll down an embankment and into a power pole.

Shazz058
Post #32

It's crazy how someone asking politely for advice/opinions/knowledge on something can be quickly shut down, abused and flamed unnecessarily.

bbunder1
Post #33

simple will not pass a blue slip got it omg is it so hard to understand pepople these days

if its not legal what makes u think its gonna pass a blue slip

pvk308
Post #34

i just dont know how people can justify driving with welded or locked diffs its almost as bad as ripping skids in your local industrial estate on a friday night with p plate buddies un road worthy cars in the car scene is a police mans bread and butter why make it worse for the rest of us who go out and try and make our cars legal

iheartcruising
Post #35

so why do you choose to weld your diff when you know its illegal?? seeing as you're saying that you're driving sensibly why weld your diff in the 1st place??
im sick of people doing illegal mod for no benifit, and gets in sh!t then the cops stereotype every other sport cars out there.

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