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3RZ turbo, 4AGTE, 3SGTE, 3SGE BEAMS, 4AGE, 4AGZE
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ty.
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Post #1 post 16th August 2011 - 05:33 AM
anyone have any opinions on which is better out of 3sge or 4age?
advantages? disadvantages?

cheers.

This post has been edited by ty.: Aug 27 2011, 06:23 PM

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blacky83
Post #2

1.6L vs 2.0L
4A will rev higher, 3S has more torque. They're reasonably similar, also it depends which generation of each you are comparing as they both were made for a while. Any reason for this question? Are you looking at buying one of them?

ty.
Post #3

also is this in the right section or should this be in car help & advice?

ty.
Post #4

well not sure what generation, what would you recommend? and yeah well im trying to plan what to do with the celica so yeah will be buying one sometime in the future, the car will mainly be used for drifting but also daily.

blacky83
Post #5

3SGTE is probably your best bet. Neither of those engines will work well for drifting NA, and if you're gonna be going forced induction then its better to start with something turbo from factory. Gen 3 engine would be the pick, can be had reasonably cheap and is the strongest design once you start boosting it.

ty.
Post #6

QUOTE (blacky83 @ Aug 17 2011, 12:05 AM) *
3SGTE is probably your best bet. Neither of those engines will work well for drifting NA, and if you're gonna be going forced induction then its better to start with something turbo from factory. Gen 3 engine would be the pick, can be had reasonably cheap and is the strongest design once you start boosting it.


cheers man, should help alot. also do you know if you can buy them brand new still or not?

(mr2)
Post #7

GEN3 3SGTE or GEN4 3SGE ( BEAMS)

Depending how much you want to spend and what result you want, 5SFE block with the 3S head, needs a bit of work but a few people have done it with their MR2's. Don't forget about Toyota's

yda55
Post #8

I had a 4age absolutely loved it.
Came out of Japan with-
Port and polished head smallport head
Blacktop block
Springs upgraded
Hks cams
Power fc
Cam gears
Forged piston owed 2grand
Made 120kw and was a blast in a roller. Celica is a bit heavier I'd agree to going a beams motor
for the same money pushing a 4age uld get a beams motor with more power and newer fresher so to speek

dazzazoo
Post #9

QUOTE (blacky83 @ Aug 17 2011, 12:05 AM) *
3SGTE is probably your best bet. Neither of those engines will work well for drifting NA, and if you're gonna be going forced induction then its better to start with something turbo from factory. Gen 3 engine would be the pick, can be had reasonably cheap and is the strongest design once you start boosting it.


what?



D1JP chamion 2005 using a 180hp ae86 beating 500hp silvias and skylines .... skill>power

rolla boi
Post #10

Beams engines are awesome, you'd be silly if you were going to choose a 4age over one of them. A Beams will out rev, out power and has everything over a 4age. You really need to be in a Beams Powered car to understand

Fappy
Post #11

QUOTE (rolla boi @ Aug 18 2011, 07:10 PM) *
Beams engines are awesome, you'd be silly if you were going to choose a 4age over one of them. A Beams will out rev, out power and has everything over a 4age. You really need to be in a Beams Powered car to understand


This! there used to be a fella where i live that had a 3sge beams ae86 and it went like a bat out of hell. Had such an awesome exhaust note too.

ty.
Post #12

Awesome, anyone know how hard it would be to fit one in the RA60 properly, what are some of the things i would have to do?

blacky83
Post #13

Didn't mean to say you can't use an NA motor for drifting, but you'd need to work it a bit in a reasonably light car. Any of the drift events I've been to have been solely turbo cars.

3S into a celica is gonna require a lot of custom work. Mounts, new fuel system, wiring, brake upgrade, etc. Definitely not the thing you can do on the cheap.

ca_sil80
Post #14

get ur toyota bassed question off boost and to the toyota sites. theres heaps of forums around and u could find all the answers ur looking for by using the search function.

jish
Post #15

QUOTE (blacky83 @ Aug 19 2011, 02:59 PM) *
Didn't mean to say you can't use an NA motor for drifting, but you'd need to work it a bit in a reasonably light car. Any of the drift events I've been to have been solely turbo cars.

3S into a celica is gonna require a lot of custom work. Mounts, new fuel system, wiring, brake upgrade, etc. Definitely not the thing you can do on the cheap.


That's because comps are comps.

There are loads of NA car that slide and very well I might add.

gymjunkie22
Post #16

go 4age transatlantic spec and call it a day

MookieMadskillz
Post #17

a well sorted 3sgte will be good in an ra60 but i would go a 1j over it every day of the week start off with something that was meant to be rwd and it will work out much cheaper.

ty.
Post #18

now I'm thinking possibly 3RZ turbo. any thoughts on this?

dazzazoo
Post #19

QUOTE (ty. @ Aug 22 2011, 09:26 AM) *
now I'm thinking possibly 3RZ turbo. any thoughts on this?


3rz are monster 4 bangers when built right .... clicky

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