E85 Is Avaible At The Pump In Qld  

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TwinCam16
Post #71

QUOTE (01sik @ Aug 22 2010, 10:54 AM) *
you can leave it here for latter reference if you want :)


It already is.

the_random_hero
Post #72

QUOTE (01sik @ Aug 22 2010, 08:37 AM) *
sooooo i got a question that hasnt been asked yet, can you be running the e85 with a standard ecu if it is tuned to run jap 100+ RON?


No.

warney
Post #73

QUOTE (the_random_hero @ Aug 22 2010, 11:27 AM) *
No.



thats what tincan said y0-

TwinCam16
Post #74

Post 69 gave him the answer TRH

MR2Mark
Post #75

I guess we are all just waiting for the pumps to be installed and working so we can find out what price they intend to sell it at.
I dont know what the tax situation will be with it compared to normal petrol but given that you need ~30% more fuel should we be expecting ~30% less per litre than normal petrol?
I think I would be happy if it were consistently 30% less per L than 98 petrol.
Thoughts?

warney
Post #76

Im pretty sure its cheap as chips, but, have been told it smells lethal though !!!!!

jish
Post #77

None of the sites are close to me...

I'm just thinking of buying a few petrol cans and filling them up when I need too!

Which does raise another question...will it be fine in those plastic petrol can's you get? Or am I better to get can's?

I ask as I have no idea how the ethanol would react with plastic :lol:

McGnarly
Post #78

so to run this shit, i cant just get my relatively stock chaser tuned for it and bobs your uncle? ill need fuel lines, injectors, pump etc?

McGnarly
Post #79

QUOTE (jish @ Aug 22 2010, 03:42 PM) *
None of the sites are close to me...

I'm just thinking of buying a few petrol cans and filling them up when I need too!

Which does raise another question...will it be fine in those plastic petrol can's you get? Or am I better to get can's?

I ask as I have no idea how the ethanol would react with plastic :lol:

from my limited knowledge on the stuff, i'd say it would go to shit fairly quickly, ethanol 'soaks' up the water in air and turns milky doesnt it?? i remember doing a carby rebuild once and it had been run on e10, and there was all this white residue shit from ethanol, not jizz

MR2Mark
Post #80

QUOTE (McGnarly @ Aug 22 2010, 05:18 PM) *
so to run this shit, i cant just get my relatively stock chaser tuned for it and bobs your uncle? ill need fuel lines, injectors, pump etc?

Assuming your stock fuel pump and injectors dont have 30% extra flow in them - yes you would need to upgrade them.
As for fuel lines - some models of car will need upgraded teflon lines or the like while others may be fine with just upgraded pump and injectors.

I would consider a fuel cooler when changing to e85 too. Given Australia's hot ambient temps in summer, a tank half full of hot e85 may be more dangerous than petrol in some cars.

jish
Post #81

QUOTE (McGnarly @ Aug 22 2010, 05:21 PM) *
from my limited knowledge on the stuff, i'd say it would go to shit fairly quickly, ethanol 'soaks' up the water in air and turns milky doesnt it?? i remember doing a carby rebuild once and it had been run on e10, and there was all this white residue shit from ethanol, not jizz


How quickly are we talking here?

S2krazie
Post #82

It raises the question, if its only the performance tuned / orientated cars buying it, how often is it going to be filled @ the servo?

The longer it sits, the lower the %......

warney
Post #83

QUOTE (S2krazie @ Aug 23 2010, 03:23 PM) *
It raises the question, if its only the performance tuned / orientated cars buying it, how often is it going to be filled @ the servo?

The longer it sits, the lower the %......



esp if its all low(er) % of ethanol/fuel ratio

MR2Mark
Post #84

QUOTE (S2krazie @ Aug 23 2010, 03:23 PM) *
It raises the question, if its only the performance tuned / orientated cars buying it, how often is it going to be filled @ the servo?

The longer it sits, the lower the %......

I believe they are catering for fuel flex vehicles and not performance cars primarily.

the_random_hero
Post #85

QUOTE (S2krazie @ Aug 23 2010, 03:23 PM) *
It raises the question, if its only the performance tuned / orientated cars buying it, how often is it going to be filled @ the servo?

The longer it sits, the lower the %......


It's an option on the VE's, just needs to be enabled by the dealers. Pretty sure there are a few other Euro's that are factory-enabled to use it.

trev084
Post #86

QUOTE (the_random_hero @ Aug 20 2010, 08:03 AM) *
Warney, unless your engine was built for it, don't run it. You will lose power and run lean.
I'm using it because I'm aiming for 10:1+ comp and 25psi-boost, something I doing you'd ever achieve on pump gas. Any idea what octane this is? Is it shit fuel mixed with ethanol to make a decent octane rating or is it premium mixed with ethanol to make 106+ octane


Does not make one bit of sense.

So you are using it because of your uber compression and high boost but you don't know what octane it is.

good luck with that.

the_random_hero
Post #87

QUOTE (trev084 @ Aug 23 2010, 06:21 PM) *
Does not make one bit of sense.

So you are using it because of your uber compression and high boost but you don't know what octane it is.

good luck with that.


I obviously DO know what octane E85 + premium is, if you read the rest of the post you would realise that I am referring to the octance rating of 'flex-fuel' varying on what it's mixed with.
Good try, have another go.

GT42r
Post #88

Been doing a heap of fuel testing over the last twelve months. I have tested CSR E85 it's a great fuel, this brand is the fuel supplied to the V8 super car team so it has a guaranteed 108 RON and i have had no consistency issues. I have also tried a 50/50 ethanol blend, 50/50 methanol blend both of which performed well and lasted in the car for well over a month with out going off or sucking litres of water into the tank.

I have been talking with some of the suppliers for both Csr and Elf E85 and they tell me that Qld will only be getting 98 RON E85 at the pump so maybe it's not time to get excited just yet. What you buy in a barrel for between $2.50 and $3/ltr is a totally different product to what we are getting at the pump, as others have mentioned consistency will be a problem and in the long term those servo's that don't take care if their tanks properly will have issues.

MR2Mark
Post #89

QUOTE (GT42r @ Aug 23 2010, 10:11 PM) *
I have been talking with some of the suppliers for both Csr and Elf E85 and they tell me that Qld will only be getting 98 RON E85 at the pump so maybe it's not time to get excited just yet. What you buy in a barrel for between $2.50 and $3/ltr is a totally different product to what we are getting at the pump, as others have mentioned consistency will be a problem and in the long term those servo's that don't take care if their tanks properly will have issues.

No offence, but quite obviously 2 suppliers of e85 products are hardly unbiased in commenting on e85 octane rating at a pump.

I reiterate my earlier post: unless there is some hugely disproportionate effect of the 15% that isnt ethanol, I cant see how the RON of pump e85 could be that low.

Parag0n
Post #90

Just remember E85 burns a fuckload quicker than pump.

S2krazie
Post #91

but its cheaper, so thats ok :lol:

McGnarly
Post #92

QUOTE (Parag0n @ Aug 24 2010, 01:27 AM) *
Just remember E85 burns a fuckload quicker than pump.

you drive a rotor, the idea of fuel consumption should be null and void to you :mamoru:

hate_
Post #93

I certainly won't be letting my engine be one of the pioneers in testing out this fuel :mamoru:

Give it 12 months and see some results first

TUF120
Post #94

I have heard of 50hp gains using E85 but these were from the drums not the pump. Although my fuel pump, lines etc are capable of running E85, i might sit this one out for a while also. :mamoru:

Parag0n
Post #95

Are any of these pumps operational?

Tontseks
Post #96

I'll be getting my 300zx tuned for E85. As others have already stated, you need to upgrade your fuel delivery system. My tuner advised that standard injectors in most cars are not suitable either due to not flowing enough or ethanol eating their seals. Sard injectors and o-rings have been tested and are ethanol compatable.

To run ethanol in my zed I apparantly need:

- Sard 650cc injectors (installed already)
- New fuel lines (getting installed)
- Possibly a bigger fuel pump (will see how the stock one holds up)
- New fuel regulator (getting installed)
- Tunable ECU (nistune installed)

I've been told that on average fuel consumption will go up by 30% and costs are going to be $0.38c below 91 octane unleaded (non ethanol blended).

I guess we will have to wait and see how everything pans out.

Ryan1200
Post #97

QUOTE (Parag0n @ Oct 6 2010, 02:12 AM) *
Are any of these pumps operational?


Caltex on Brownsplains Rd Marsden has been pumping for about 2 weeks now the price a few days ago was 98c..

TwinCam16
Post #98

Insert token workshop here crapping on about how bad pump e85 is.

Mr.B
Post #99

QUOTE (TwinCam16 @ Oct 6 2010, 05:48 PM) *
Insert token workshop here crapping on about how bad pump e85 is.


Is it a heavy metal workshop?

HSV
Post #100

I'll be tuning the big block to E85 but with a mixture of Avgas at this stage to ensure it maintains its "potency" from the pump

97caprice
Post #101

QUOTE (HSV @ Oct 6 2010, 06:03 PM) *
I'll be tuning the big block to E85 but with a mixture of Avgas at this stage to ensure it maintains its "potency" from the pump


Unless you know someone in the aviation industry, toluene is easier to get and you can't be pinged by the fuzz for using it. You also need alot less of it than avgas to achieve the same results.

HSV
Post #102

I know someone :)

trev084
Post #103

QUOTE (HSV @ Oct 6 2010, 08:39 PM) *
I know someone ;)


Oh hi youbUTEless :)

boostn100
Post #104

So any of these e85 furl pumps from servos working yet

trev084
Post #105

QUOTE (boostn100 @ Nov 25 2010, 11:39 PM) *
So any of these e85 furl pumps from servos working yet


Yes, they are on the caltex site.

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