New Impound Laws (1/7/7) - Now in effect - Information Inside :)  

racsov500

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Rookie ROX

Posted reserved for later.

So many dumb people...

ROCK ON
R~R

FC3STURBO

Am i one ?


If i am, i am sorry, i haven't had a coffee ( ) and am not making sense even to my self lol.

Drift 4 Life

i got a bad rep in my town, so im up shit creek wit out a paddle. These rules are in nsw as well i take it??

200sx_s13

qld rules, however nsw vehicles in qld must follow them

wat'r

QUOTE(wat'r @ Jul 4 2007, 07:45 PM)

A copy of my post on CB:

**********NOBODY PANIC********

Just spoke to Traffic Branch.

The onlything that has changed is the penality i.e. you go to court.

and

if busted for an offence under the same 'umberella' i.e illegal mods, in a 3 year period.... you get 48 hours with the car you were driving when busted (yours or not)

e.g.

You can have an after market steering wheel as long as is is of the legal size and not made of wood (for example)

you can have an after market exhaust....as long as it complys with noise limits etc, etc, etc.

Basically..... no more fines and loss of points.... every offence goes to court where the penality is decided by the magistrate.

So....... do the right thing and you'll be fine. Don't let the Government and do-gooders in society win. Keep it legal and stay on the road.

So....

If it was a legal modification that does not require a Mod Plate..... it still doesn't (eg steering wheel)
If it was a legal modification that requires a mod plate..... it still does ( eg engine conversion )

There are no new laws.... just the way in which penalities are dished out have changed. i.e. off to court for a lot of things now.

Remember this is not in Brizzy or the Gold Coast.(yet)





QUOTE(200sx_s13 @ Jul 4 2007, 09:16 PM)

here is a quote from a pm from a police traffic branch officer on cb that i had pm'd
so anyone changing factory exhaust noise levels or sizes beware

You can still be under the noise limit but..... if your exhaust is modified and deemed to be LESS EFFECTIVE.... you can be 'done'

The offence is something like 'Modifying a silencer to be less effective."

It is totally different to simply being under the noise limit of 90 or 96dB.

I spoke to Toowoomba Traffic Branch and he only focused on the noise limit side of things.

Seems other Traffic Branches are lining up to be nazies. ( If that is what Coomera said about it all.)

Funny thing is.... there is now new law....just changed penalities.

Joyrid3r

well......i think i'll be moving back down south till this load of bullshit blows over..

Drift 4 Life

oh ok thats made me feel a lil better although i do want to go to gold coast to get a bodykit and some engine mods so i guess i better be carefull.
Wat will happen to all those who go to "the spit" and that car park in surfers i have heard about?

200sx_s13

wat'r tell Sgt Shaw if he still there i said hello, havent seen him since i played golf at at the retravision day at toowoomba golf club last yr.

FC3STURBO

The car park your thinking of is BWCP and thats on the Gold Coast. and the Gold Coast at the moment is not effected by these new laws

Mr-RX

Well i suppose you could. But this is the way i see it.

"Modifying a silencer to be less effective"

In this case we are talking about the exhaust system as a whole acting as this "silencer". Due to the bigger the diametre, The higher the noise level will be and the more the exhaust gases.

You could argue on the noise side, That maybe you added an extra muffler, Or that your mufflers are better then standard, Thus keeping it under the legal DB limit. But the "effectiveness" is still compromised when talking about everything else, Heat, Exhaust gases, longitivity of mufflers ect ect.

In most cases an aftermarket exhaust would be better in all areas, But im just saying there is more to argueing that the noise is still legal.


Also to answer a question i saw somewhere in this thread about engine conversions and which law you have to follow for exhausts, Well it would be the engine.

The law states you can only put a NEWER engine in and not an older one. It also states you need to use the exhaust system from that engine. Reason being is 90% of the time, When people choose to put "upgraded" engines in, They are exactly that, Upgraded. Bigger capicity, more power, diffrent induction system.

If you were to keep the factory exhaust system that came with the car, This would compramise the newer engine and would be deemed illegal.

wat'r

QUOTE(wat'r @ Jul 5 2007, 01:16 AM)

you can argue that it is just as effective as the standard one..... otherwise you would be over the limit would you not?????

Hey!

I retracted my thoughts on that because I did a bit of searching and a VY ss Commodore (for example) is in the mid 80's on the dB metre (stock).... so even if you came in at 90dB.... you could still be 'done' for have a less effective exhaust.

Mr-RX

Yeah its pritty hard to compete with multi million dollor production companys that build cars to be quiet

Esspecially us rotor boys, Trying to shutup our bridgeports

Im not too worried tho, You've herd alicia's RX7, We have NEVER had a problem with her exhaust.

I've never herd of anybody being "defected" for having a less effective exhaust.


I wounder what 13B's are from factory? Im guessing no where near anything achievable for a bridgeport

Because if your exhaust reads the same DB as it did from FACTORY, No matter how big the exhaust is they wouldnt call it "less effective" as its the same level as factory.

Drift 4 Life

thats cool then, ill have to try and sneak up there till i hit the gold coast, i have no idea wat shops to go to but yea, gotta get my car out of the impound lot here first.

wat'r

Here's one for everyone to think about......

I've spent about $750 all up on my exhaust to make 96dB but.....

What if I have an RX2 with 'standard exhaust' and then bridge port the engine. I would have over 100dB (as I did and did actually have over 100dB).

So that means I can have a standard exhaust.....putting out over 100dB.

Could I argue that the exhaust is totally standard...therefore how can it be illegal?

I have chosen to do my own exhaust though to get 96dB.

If I ever get pulled over for my exhaust..... there is going to be a long conversation to explain the whole situation I think

FC3STURBO

this is a good point. i would like to hear what they would have to say to it. probably something like 'do you have proof you car was over 100dB?' and if you don't. they wont believe you.

Mr-RX

Very interesting but i think we both know what the outcome would be

I didnt know your car was 96db? Its not that loud, I always thought you would be well under the limit

I think with the whole standard exhaust issue, Is that the "Noise Limit" law would be above the "exhaust effectiveness" law in priority.

As more people complain about noise then they do exhaust sizes

Here is a question for you tho.

If you have an aftermarket exhaust, that is the same DIAMETRE as the STANDARD exhaust, and is still under the legal db limit, Could they call that "less effective"

Say for example my car. I have a 3" exhaust stright through (no cat, no mufflers ) and it only made something like 98db. But its doesnt sound loud, Its just, a drone i guess you would call it.

But say if i was to put for example a rotaflow muffler in there, It might quieten it down, but the note would be changed considerably and would be much more noticable, esspeically at idle.

I think there is way to many variables, But i think the standard diametre idea might work.



sorry about spelling mistakes, its 2am.

200sx_s13

the standard diameter would work as if this wasnt possible then all exhaust shops would be out of business as they wouldnt be needed, as what else cud u do other than get a new exhaust made the same size after an old one wears away?
also u need a catalyic conveter as there is huge fines for having none as its enviromental law breach. but yeh same size as factory fitted and same db level is what i was advised was needed

wat'r

Yeah....2.00am wtf? I know

In the last month I have had 3 exhaust setups.

The original one had 96dB out the rear...but about 105dB under the car.

I silenced the noise from under the car.... but then had 100dB out the rear.

I have now changed the whole thing to achieve a quiet Bridgy with 96dB out the ass.

The first thing I bought when I got my rx2 was a sound metre. It is accurate to within 1 dB. I carry it in my glove box all the time ... but I have never had to use it in my defense to date.

I really can't see anything changing unless you get busted racing or chucking skids..... Then they may use these old laws with the new penalties to give an offender grief.

I think it is actually all good. If your car is legal and you get a defect and notice to appear..... you get your day in court.... and you will win.

BTW mine is quiet to a lot of others. I have never had any grief... and I want to keep it that way

Also.... Rotaflow's are your friend. It would wipe 2 dB from yours no worries. The note is very nice too.

WRX-75X

abit like why is it going to happen is only some parts of QLD.... ???

So most ppl can only drive their moded cars on the gold coast, and Northern nsw... ??

Would'nt it make sence to make it the hole QLD.. not only parts of it... only mean's ppl will cruise more on the goldy then throught the week.

wat'r

No not really....

remember there are no new laws... just a different way the punishment is dealt out.

It is possible that with this will come some increased attention to loud cars from the Police.

But I think most will reserve it for if / when you mis-behave in a big way.

Time will tell.

Drift 4 Life

i used to think nsw was harsh n qld was easy. Down here if u get caught racin or burnoutd or mt case... drifting u loose your car for 3 months. get it back n get caught again. She goneskies, so i gonna have to behave now.
I hope for everyones sake up there if use are not racing or doing something stupid use are left alone and not bothered

fusion88

cant u see what these cu#ts are doing

they are trying to get more young drivers on the new p plate system as they could not just put us all on there

now there bringin up this bullshit so they can get more of us on after repeted offences the punishment will no dubt be loss of license thus meaning you will fall under the new p plate laws

BoostedS15

Ok, let me explain this again in less ahem "complicated" terms as it seems many here can't grasp what I am saying.


Simple way to think about it: If you can get a defect for it, then the car can be impounded, and forfieted for it. (All after a court rulings of course).
Yes: Defects are now dealt with in the courts, but the fines aren't $75 and 1 point, they are now much larger fines (as imposed by a magistrate) "and" the impound of the car, similar to the current 'hoon' laws.

So..............."if" you can mod plate it and make it legal, you wont lose the car for it. (As long as the mod plate is legit).

Therefore........"if" you CAN'T mod plate it, and it is currently a defect (examples: ANY aftermarket exhaust, Neon Lights, Atmo BOV's, Screamer Pipes, LOWERED VEHICLES (under 100mm), Carbon Fibre Bonnet, Illegal Lights, Bald Tyres...............the list goes on)...............THESE offences will cause you to LOSE you car under these new laws.

So the original post is 100% correct and doenst need updating.

If you have a mod plate, you cant get a defect for THAT mod, can you? (No). Therefore it is not a defect.

However, you can mod plate some part and still get a defect for something else on the car.

*Shakes head* I don't know why I bothered to warn you guys.

I also agree, this is a ridculas law and will do nothing but clog the court systems. I also think it will signal an end to much of the cruising scene. (Bring on more Sprint days!)

Cartrin

HAHAHA i love reading this thread KBoard warriors charge!!!!!!!!!

BoostedS15 they love puting hate on you when your just the messanger lol

The facts are this get you car moded Get it checked by the cops or even ask them b4 you do the mod is there a way to make it legal .
I have been building my car for 2 years now but i have goten every mod great or small checked. I have a cooler i have a bov but its all done legaly . I have rims but there not spastic size and they are legal i have a aftermarket steering wheel but its legal you have to be smarter now and alot of the workshops will have to pull there shit in line. Its a simple as that it all hase to meet the ADR Rules they ar enot saying you cant modify car they are stoping all the bodgy mods and so on

My 2 cents

OXY-351

Fuck this shit man. In the words of a legend:

"If they block the highway so I've got nowhere to go, I'll hit the nitrous and hit them at about 250 K an hour 'n we can all go to hell together"

http://www.hoon.tk/movie/clips/TT191002.avi

angels666

That's the way ... post footage from 8 or so years ago

OXY-351

Hey if it's good enough for today tonight to re-use it every year, it's good enough for me Ang

LIN3UP

holy freaking crap thats retarded, if it comes to victoria i will change state.. Are these the harshest vehicular modification laws in the world?

Old Suzmot

If you are too stupid to learn after the THIRD offence you deserve to lose your car.

Nice to see they finally have the bite to back up the bark. Hopefully this helps get a lot of the tools off the road.

Rookie ROX

I'm with this guy.

I also give up. Everyone can believe what they want, you're all going to be ass raped, har har, lose.

As I've said over and over, the only people who ever get done for 'modifying a silencing device' are those who were absolute pricks and deserved everything they get. If you're worried about that fine, then you probably deserve it

Oh, and interstate vehicles have ALWAYS been able to be defected

ROCK ON
R~R

^sims^

thats the point.. it ISNT to do with safety yet that try and make out that it is?



Yeah certainly did..





So, the exhaust on my car now is illegal... because... it isnt standard or because its too loud? or both?

What if it were the same exhaust but I got someone to make it less or the same DB as my standard exhaust? would it be illegal then?

can you mod plate the following?:

pod, bigger turbo (but standard on an EVO), exhaust, intercooler (standard on an EVO)...

?

Mr-RX

I understand that completly and as stated im not worried, My car is 100% legal and mod plated

Yes i realize ANY defect (no matter how small or large) can now lead to your car being impounded. Thats all well and good. Does not bother me the slightest

Like i said i think its great, Because if the officer "accidently" gives you a defect+court apperance for something that may not actually be a defect, It will be rectified by the courts.

You might loose your car for 48 hours but atleast you wont loose your licence over something that shouldnt have happened.


I cant help you with the mod plate question but the exhaust question is what a few of us were discussing a page back.

IN THEORY, If your exhaust is the same DIAMETER as your standard exhaust, And is no louder then your standard exhaust im 100% confident that is legal.

However, This is the part we were not sure about, If your exhaust is still standard diameter, but is still under the 90db limit stated in the laws, Its possiable you could argue your exhaust is legal on these grounds:

The exhaust is no bigger then standard, So it should be as "effective", And if its no louder then 90db they can not defect you for noise.

However this is just a theory.

^sims^

Well my exhaust is 3" so its certainly not the same diametre as standard but if it has the same or lessor db reading it is legal?

Phat 33

Since when did you need a mod plate for modifactions covered in Section 1 of this...

Queensland Transport Modification Guidelines

I only have mod plates for things, such as seating conversions, not for lowering, aftermarket steering wheels and different wheels. I don't believe I have to, if it's done incorrectly then I am fined, if its legal and a-ok, which it is, then I have nothing to worry about? But from what I have read I now need to have those mod-plated as well? I will wait until QT release more information and then see what I have to do.