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17th July 2006 - 08:59 PM
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eighty-eight
Post #212
QUOTE a turbo 4 can reach 200kw with an exhaust, filter, and a tune basically. bullshit. more like 200rwhp. Ive beaten a r32 RB20 with those mods in my na supra, I have video footage it too. |
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clutch-monkey
Post #213
QUOTE(PKR @ Jul 18 2006, 02:59 PM) [snapback]1280070724[/snapback] They have wowed never to build one, besides the current F1 V8, they are skipping straight to a V10!  that's a shame, it would probably be quite different(and interesting!) from most contemporary V8's |
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70XIN
Post #217
QUOTE(VS Style @ Jul 18 2006, 01:43 PM) [snapback]1280070518[/snapback] But look at the difference in what heppenes when it comes time to do skids  Hey grantus, When you get your (undisclosed car), we will have a little friendly competition  we have already tested the hachi's skid ability..
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clutch-monkey
Post #218
QUOTE(sleepings13 @ Jul 18 2006, 06:07 PM) [snapback]1280071434[/snapback] turbo hands down... evo hands down just think of the bang for$$$ for 60K i'd rather build a GT40 replica  
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Stuit
Post #221
QUOTE(eighty-eight @ Jul 18 2006, 03:03 PM) [snapback]1280070734[/snapback] bullshit. more like 200rwhp. Ive beaten a r32 RB20 with those mods in my na supra, I have video footage it too. wow. i didnt think anyone could possibly try to question that as i thought it was common knowledge....apparently i was wrong. firstly i said that i was talking power at the flywheel, not at-the-wheels. secondly, a wrx comes with 169kw standard, and with an exhaust, intake and tune it will EASILY have over 200kw. same with skylines, supras, evos, etc. GTRs have over 200kw standard too remember. who was it that said comprehension wasnt important?
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WattsyLX
Post #223
I think the thread has gone way off topic. |
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sandman_350
Post #224
^^^^^ spot on |
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MYB16
Post #225
QUOTE(PKR @ Jul 18 2006, 02:40 PM) [snapback]1280070679[/snapback] power per litre will give you a good idea on how highly strung an engine is.  ive got over 100hp/ltr as well  all n/a of course...anyway dosent a stock evo8 make around 160kw@wheels stock (which is more like 220fly kw) - i remember "Wheels" put a stock 05 sti and evo8 on the rollers. |
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Manic 180
Post #226
QUOTE(WattsyLX @ Jul 19 2006, 01:05 PM) [snapback]1280073653[/snapback] I think the thread has gone way off topic. The question was.... What would you prefer - 300kw NA GRUNT, or 200kw turbo? Lets see - 300kw NA.... the power is there right from the go, no spooling up required, Theres no forced induction to put extra stress on anything, And lets face the fact - its got 100kw more than the turbo choice! Bit of a no-brainer isnt it!? it has gone way off topic but still provided good conversations even tho it is plauged with the obvious closed minded wankers. ps this is by far the best post to sum up the question. |
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Stuit
Post #227
QUOTE(sandman_350 @ Jul 19 2006, 01:19 PM) [snapback]1280073684[/snapback] ^^^^^ spot on  there was never any mention of what configuration just plain and simple 200Kw turbo Vs 300Kw aspirated , think about it Kiddies ..... aspirated means you wont need your much loved rolling starts the poll is 'Grunt (300kw non turbo car)' or 'Boost (200kw WRC car)', and iirc the thread starter said that its basically evo 8 vs r8 clubsport a few posts into the thread. pretty specific if you ask me. just an aside....sure the turbos like skylines, supras, 200sxs, etc. like rolling starts - but id like to see a clubsport or other similar v8 take an sti, evo, or gtr from a standing start. chances are they would get smoked, as thats where the evos and stis come into their own, not rolling starts
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killswitch_13
Post #229
ha ha another v8 vs turbo talk... |
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Stuit
Post #232
QUOTE(tuffZK @ Jul 20 2006, 07:51 PM) [snapback]1280078167[/snapback] there's no substitute for cubic inches. forced induction or not forced induction the bottom line is bigger is better. there is though - turbo. if bigger is better how can a 2.0L turbo evo be FASTER than a 6.0L clubsport?? |
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ro7ang
Post #233
If we're talking about an actual WRC car here, it'll probably have more torque than most 300kw V8s anyway, and it'll be heaps lighter, which would make it a quicker car, not to mention better-handling. |
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rotmanozzie
Post #234
QUOTE(mazdaguy01 @ Mar 8 2005, 04:12 PM) [snapback]4999033[/snapback] Honestly it depends what you want to use it for. The turbo car would more than likely kick ass in a drag but for example track work having 300kw there when you want it. As in put your foot down and instant YEHAAA!!!! Well what can I say you dont use a screwdriver to undo a bolt. If you know what i mean  you are back to front buddy..........the 300kw would prob. win the drag but the 200kw ( e.g EVO ) would kill it around a circuit.......
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Jimmy Boy
Post #235
But what about the poor quality of an Evo, the shit interior. The tinny feel and the fact that they are just plain Ugly. |
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clutch-monkey
Post #239
QUOTE Turbo fo sho. Why add 300 kilo of extra block and pistons when you could just add 8 kilo of turbo. V8's sucks ass have you seen how compact the LS1/LS2 is..... there's a good reason people put them in RX-7's |
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BADEZ
Post #240
oh i love the turbo not becuase of its sound but becuase of the way u can drive them QUOTE(WattsyLX @ Jul 19 2006, 01:05 PM) [snapback]1280073653[/snapback] Lets see - 300kw NA.... the power is there right from the go, no spooling up required, Theres no forced induction to put extra stress on anything, ok this guy is correct in some cases, but na cars if having the right equipment can act like turbo cars and have lag, if u look at the regular mivec, vtec, vvti. they all have power regions where low down they are as responsive, if u modify them even more u can make them act like a turbo car and be slugish till higher rpms. depends on how u set up the car, if u ask a few people around they will tell u the same if u moddify a na car for topend torque and power u will loose the responsivness down low. |
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ro7ang
Post #241
QUOTE(clutch-monkey @ Jul 20 2006, 10:59 PM) [snapback]1280078755[/snapback] have you seen how compact the LS1/LS2 is..... there's a good reason people put them in RX-7's Because they want to ruin perfectly good RX-7s by mucking up their weight distribution? Although I agree with the point you're making, the Chevy smallblock really is a small block motor As for Evo vs HSV, they're attractive to different types of buyers, the HSV is the easier car to live with, but you sacrifice things like communication from the road surface and steering, (relatively) light weight, and ultimate cornering ability. IMO a Clubbie looks no more attractive or discrete than an Evo either. And of course there's there's the spectre of build quality with Holdens, the frightening resale values, the extra rego, and of course that 6th gear is way, way, way too tall. Much like the original question it's largely a matter of personal opinion.
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Jimmy Boy
Post #244
I think they both can be summed up like this |
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ro7ang
Post #245
QUOTE(DAL32 @ Jul 21 2006, 10:08 AM) [snapback]1280079322[/snapback] Resale values hey? LOL How about those Evo 8 owners Mitsubishi completely screwed over when they released the Evo 9 with a $10k cheaper price tag? lol. HSV did it with the LS2 and they've been known to sell Clubbies for the price of an SS. In fact, they've basically done it with every release by trying their darndest to make the last gen look completely obsolete. And despite that I doubt the resale an ane Evo VIII (and it'll be the only Evo for a while to have an issue with resale unless they build a batch of lemons) will be any worse than an HSV of the same year. Not really like Mistubishi had a choice with the VIIIs anyway as Stuit mentioned, being the last model before it became a full-time addition to the range instead of just a limited-numbers import.
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