Grunt V Boost - Simple poll  

ShanO`

Why is everyone going on about power to weight, when there is stuff all difference between the weight of the 2 cars that were originally mentioned at the start of the thread.

According to redbook, an LS2 VZ R8 Clubby weights 1655kg and does 0 - 100 in 5.2 seconds.
While the EVO 8 weighs a whopping 1470 kg and does 0-100 in 6.1seconds

If you go by the figures, The EVO 8 isnt exactly as lightweight as everyone reckons

Grunt FTW

Burnout

Hahahahah owned.

I would still take the R8, no matter how well a EVO handles.

Hell I would take a Grange.

WattsyLX

Mate, why is it i agree to nearly every post you make!

Its good to know there is at least someone out there that thinks like me!

The LJ Torana would probably wiegh less than the bloody EVO! Even the bigger LH/LX only wieghs 1100kg, and thats with a cast iron V8 between the rails!
And the ricers like rolling starts because they have to wait for their hairdryers to spool up.
Turbo = Strap on's for ricers, compensating for their inadequacies.

N.B - My posts on this thread are mostly a piss take and shouldnt be taken too seriously, but some of the ricers need to settle down and open their eyes and realise that their rice burners are not the best things in the world. Both grunt and boost have their pros and cons, but the good old grunt still leaves the rice burners for dead!

DAL32

I'll take a WRC car over "just any" 300kw N/A any day of the week. Rally cars are worth shitloads

RdS:

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just thought id mention:
nothing is quite as shit as cruising along the freeway at 100kmh in my mr2. why? well, in 5th its doing 3 and a half grand! its a drone behind you from the little engine at this speed that will drive you mad over time. i just wish i had a V8 at these times, loping along at 1500rpm.
but driving through something like the black spur, it is soo much fun riding 2nd and 3rd the whole time, lots of revs to get around.

so it depends what you need it for. for a daily driver, cruiser, drag car.. whatever.. id take that R8 clubsport. but if all i had it for was sprints and hillclimbs, and rare trips down to the shops.. it take that evo.


meh.

Evolvd

Some body said you cant get evo's with leather

Yes you can and recaro evo seats shit all over fat man seats

Just clearing that up

But yes it all comes down to personal preference its like Some people like holden some people like ford and the debate of which one is better will go on for ever

Evolvd

Jimmy Boy

I'll take a 3.5L 400horse power Ferrari 360 Spider V8 over a Turbo Jap car any day. Shit id take it over any domestic too.

Now guys don’t get me wrong, to make an R8 as much of a 'Fun' car as possible it does need modifying, more so than an Evo. The R8 does feel like a very heavy car when throwing it around, and you do need to be careful because the suspension while very sporty it still is reasonably soft. The standard exhaust feels oh so restrictive or maybe it is just because I’m used to the violent 'push' as the turbo really comes alive in my s15. The power delivery is very smooth but not all that exhilarating. The weight makes the 5 speed automatic feel quite boggy and it isn’t until you get up in the revs when you have all the torque of that wicked 6.0L working for you that it really becomes an experience to remember.
However as I said earlier what wins it for me is the quality, it isnt the fastest car off the show room floor, but you will be hard pressed to find a better built car with as many options, features and luxuries for $60 000 than a HSV Clubsport R8.

For those interested I have actually raced my dads 300kw $60 000 HSV against my 185kw $30 000 Nissan 200sx (all be it $42 000 new 4 years ago) and i can say power to weight is very important as i beat him. Reasonably well too.

An advantage with an Evo is they are quite rare, and while I do think I do notice most new R8s I know I see every Evo that comes my way.
However their 'Tinny' feeling and cheapness of the interior and build quality do put me off. If I had 60k to spend on a new car it would be an R8 or 05 Sti. hhhmm I haven't really solved anything now have I?

s13viper

i had a whole page post ready to go, but ill just sum it up with a few words instead

a 1L 4cyc 175hp NA GSXR bike seems to do ok out of the factory for its 10.20@140mph dead stock

yes its a bike, but my point is.....its not the engine, its what its in, this applies to all things car releated whether its grunt or boost

DAL32

I wish my car had a 6th gear at these times. 3k @ 100kmh here. At least it's not a noisy bugger at 100kmh though.

s13viper

mines at 11000rpm @ 120kph, yet i dont care

Stuit

my WRX sits at 2500rpm @ 100km/h

whoever quoted that the evo 8 does the 0-100 in 6.1s as opposed to the r8 in 5.1...............dare i say it, those figures are understated for the evo. if youve been in one, or seen one at a track, youll know 6.1s is being VERY modest.

and dont forget what is arguably the greatest ferrari of all time - the f40 - and what it had under its bonnet - a 2.9L twin-turbo engine

clutch-monkey

you left out that it was a twin turbo V8

Burnout

Because he knows V8s rule.

Well high class Euros anyway. I don't think Holdens and Fords would rate highly, on a world scale.

Anchor

Haha at you guys doing 3000rpm at 100. With like 5 gears?
Hell i got two gears and it sits at 2800 at 110...

Yeah anyways, grunt all the way. Sounds better.

End of story.

Stuit

i left it out because its Grunt vs Boost. twin-turbo is classed as 'boost', be it a v8 or a 3 cylinder.

it also shows that there is a replacement for displacement, its called turbo.

clutch-monkey

yes but i'm not sure a highly expensive, exotic V8TT that goes to 700 hp (in the LM) is really that relevant to this discussion - i mean how many of us drive an F40!!
yes if all else is equal turbo makes up for displacement - but if you get tangled up in a HP war the higher displacement will usually win

Stuit

sure none of us drive an f40, but im just pointing out that arguably the best ferrari ever made, and remember that most ferraris use larger displacement engines rather than turbos, is a twin-turbo small capacity engine. see what im gettin at?

tuffZK

i've got both, a turbo 4 and 2 v8s. the turbo 4 is nice as a fuel efficient daily driver but for something fun to drive the v8 wins hands down.
so it's grunt for me.

VS Style

Agreed


Ill rest my case with Big Boys ute, and the 4cylinder turbo ute that came out after big boys ute at an undisclosed location, needless to say big boys ute went nuts


someone give this man a medal


Your dead set fucking kidding me arent you. A V8 would chew less fuel than a 4 or 6 cylinder turbo. It all depends on how you drive the car i suppose


But look at the difference in what heppenes when it comes time to do skids


Then see it on the side of the road broken down with a hose loose or something?


Please keep this on topic and civil. Other wise it will be locked.

clutch-monkey

true - but they resorted to turbo's because they didn't have a suitable larger displacement at the time that could produce the power they wanted. now their engineering has improved hence the use of larger V12's. same reason the XJ220 is a 3.5L V6 TT lol
just a note if you really want to see forced induction there exists a BMW turbo 1.5L F1 engine (back when turbo was allowed) with 1000hp

Anchor

http://www.deadendcruisers.com/videos/jimmywhitevideo.wmv

V8 is the winnar. Grunt owns all ^^^

CLICK THE LINK^

Manic 180

grant drive any car hard and your going to have problems, v8 or jap turbo.

eighty-eight

ugh why does everyone think this is about v8 vs. turbo again?

ever heard of a M3?!?!?!? a 300kw NA m3 would muder a turbo 200sx/skyline/supra/commodore/falcon with 200kw.

clutch-monkey

a large displacement V8 will take a thrashing better than a highly strung turbo four, though
although maintenance does effect this a lot

Stuit

especially in the price department

Manic 180

tell me why a worked 8 will take more of a thrashing?

clutch-monkey

i'm going on what i've been told (i'm no engineer lol) - and it's not like 300kw is difficult for modern V8's
a 4 banger getting 200kw is going to be placing more stress on the engine parts

PKR

power per litre will give you a good idea on how highly strung an engine is.

Manic 180

as a highly strung jap turbo id expect it to have internals.
would this not strengthen the weak spots to allow to run a higher boost in a more reliable fashion?

having said that,

i opted for the grunt selection,
nothing beats the sound of a worked 8

clutch-monkey

just because you have over 100hp/litre :jealous:

i don't know - but basically it would have more parts to go wrong, right?

Manic 180

+ turbo vs. + 4 cylinders

we could go on all day with this.

Stuit

afaik it does take a fair bit of work to get 300kw out of a v8 - hence only expensive 'performance' models have that much power.

a turbo 4 can reach 200kw with an exhaust, filter, and a tune basically.

in that regard id say a turbo 4 is probably easier to get to 200kw than a v8 is to get to 300kw. the mods you do to a turbo 4 to get the 200kw (like an exhaust) actually help the engines by removing restrictions etc, making better airflow.

if you flog any engine, it'll break. but engines are made to last, and just because one has half as many cylinders as the other doesnt mean it will break easier. theres less to break, so there could be less to go wrong.

(i assume we are talking flywheel power figures, not at-the-wheel power)


most turbo japanese cars have over 100hp/L standard...

PKR

he means na, no sidewinders in this comp!



Thats the ONLY thing i'll ever have on your dads GT3

clutch-monkey

paul's is NA
i'd like to see a Honda V8.... should be impressive indeed

Stuit

ok my bad

carry on good chaps.