P Plate Restrictions - Done to death I know but hoping for a decent conversation.  

Manic 180

I remeber when I used to whinge about being targeted by the police. 18 with 4 other mates in a VN commodre with an exhaust lowered on shit mags and tinted windows. I got a little bit older and I thought to myself, if I was a cop would I pull younger me over? Fucking oath I would.

Ralli

Is it just me, or do the younger generation feel they are being hard done by ?

slokey

The minority wreck it for the one's who don't.

dazzazoo

Espress

They are, imagine being told (as a car enthusiast) you can't drive the cars you want through no fault of your own.

clutch-monkey

they all feel entitled to everything.

truffles

There comes a point where you just need to get over it. I got my license 6 weeks after the new laws came in, how do you think I felt? I got over it and now own two "high-powered" cars.

Espress

Ya dude same here, I got them 11 days after the law came in. I am now on my blacks and still feel sorry for younger car enthusiasts.

DAL32

I've had my license for 8 years and I still haven't got a car I couldn't drive under the new P plate laws. But you know what, I have driven several turbo cars and I don't particularly give that much of a shit!

AllTrack

Really non turbo imports etc are all that is needed when you have your P's. I had a 5th gen celica till I got my opens (Still have it) and found it "fast /" enough for what it was intended for (daily driving / learning to drive a car properly) Finally after I got my opens I was able to step upto the big boys (Well not really I only have a Celica GT4) and all I can say is I would of killed or wrecked the car if I was able to go out and buy the GT4 / even more powerfull car most P platers want.

But what annoys me still to this day, people like myself back then who still want imports but can't have a turbo model get chucked off at by the older car enthusiasts (driving a dead stock looking car or riceboy) many times I admired peoples "real deal" imports and classics but majority of the time they just told me to piss off because I was a p plater in a N/A car. Anyway I went a bit off topic and I'm probably a pussy so flame on.

My noob two cents anyway.

DAL32

Yeah people and their egos..

HSV

And you provided the reasoning to your argument in two sentences.

Turbo's cars are easy to modify for more power, INCLUDING turbo diesels. Golf is a perfect example of that.

Ralli

They don't realise that it's for their own safety. As it has been said previously, its much easier to get a high powered car these days, compared to when I was a kid on my P's ....
Things change, doesn't matter what it is , they just have to suck it up unfortunately....
Because I don't think things will change anytime soon , laws / restrictions are there for a reason, just deal with it ..


Yes, and they feel like the world owes them something...
Now don't get me wrong, not ALL P Platers are like this, however the majority are.
They also seem to get given alot of things these days, lucky them, but an example, one of my friends just bought her daughter a car .... she hasn't even got her p's yet. Also we had a father and daughter come in today. Father bought Daughter a brand new cruze and she is still on her L's ..

I am sorry , but this shits me , a little ... I had to buy my own first car, no way would my parents buy me one. My first car was a shitbox , as was most of ours , with people my age. This is what this generation is about, i am sorry but they are given everything, and because of this, produces this attitude that they have .....

GreekWarrior

I think we need more p plate restrictions.

TwinCam16

Agreed

truffles

Yes, in theory it's easier to mod a forced induction car. What I should have continued onto say is that you should be able to drive unmodified versions of certain turbocharged cars. Something that provides similar performance to other higher-rated p-plate cars, like a non SIDI VE Commodore S. However, in doing this you need to make the laws enforceable, which in turn is another challenge in itself if Mr Plod has no idea what he's looking at.

At the end of the day it's always going to be a grey area. It's not perfect, but the concept it's based upon; saving lives, is a sound one.

HSV

Correct, which is why the rushed laws, whilst seemingly "unfair" and "interesting" in the nature of vehicles modified, is effectively doing the right thing.

It would be interesting to see cold hard stats on before and after up until know, how many fatalities/serious accidents have been avoided.

clutch-monkey

yep, they want their fast cars and they want them NOW dammit or they'll totally hold their breath until you give in

apparently learning curves are for chumps!

Espress

If we didn't fight and argue against silly laws the Americans would still have a ban on alcohol.

Lets face it, the laws are dead wrong. They need to either be removed all together or refined so that they are actually effective. If your going to be all nanny state at least implement a power to weight rule or something similar instead of blanket ruling v8 and turbos.

truffles

Unless they're favourable statistics, they may never come to light. Especially if it proved these "rushed" legislations didn't receive proper through process.

HSV

Or..............................

Stop your whinging and deal with it.

gutless

P plate years should be spent learning how to drive, not how to get defected and write off trees. fuck all of you P plate cunts if your mindset is anything like these small minded users that think the restrictions dont work.

Ralli

^ This

minirobbie

[quote name='truffles' date='Mar 28 2011, 07:09 PM' post='1287212077']
Something that provides similar performance to other higher-rated p-plate cars, like a non SIDI VE Commodore S.
umm hate to tell you this but sidi doesnt give it a much better performance edge sure it gives a few more kw but it doesnt make em go much better and when you do sink the boot in kiss those fuel efficancy figures good bye .and its not new technology by any stretch, many european cars have used this under different names for years. i have found the new sidi commodore to be very harsh in the engine witch for a modern car is excessive, vibration under acceleration ( in a car with less than 5000km on the clock) is poor also i found it performed no better than a vt with 200,000+ ks on it . Spark Ignition Direct Injection is what it stands for , basically its a fancy name for coputer controlled ignition timing and direct injection ... new for an aussie built car but not new by any stretch

B Unit

Totally. But remember back when we all drove around in turbo charged big block V8's when we were 17? Those were the days


Power:Weight sound great in theory, but how do you govern it? Let's say you pull an S13 over, is it stock or 400hp? How is a cop to know?

They wanted a quick solution so they ran with what they have now. Love it or hate it (haven't read the whole thread, but can't imagine anyone hating the laws ) they are there to stay. No amount of whinging on an internet forum is going to change anything, especially when we still see in the news young kids wrapping commodores around poles and killing the occupants.

B Unit

And grossly over-rated. I know a few people who rushed out to get new commodores thinking they would get awesome fuel economy only to be greatly disappointed, even the ones that drive like nannas.

minirobbie

mate i had one for 2weeks n got rid of it , it was a peice of crap. my old el xr6 isnt that harsh under acceleration that fuel consumption figure they came up with is based on average speed of 80kph on a highway cycle if you read the fine print with 2 people on board and no luggage not a typical aussie family on holidays ! i get average of 9.5l per hundred on the highway in the xr6 if i drive carefully.

Ralli

ahh yes !!!!

sbrick

yes we do and sooner the better

Ralli

IT would seem that p platers can get out of it anyway, so whats the point of having restrictions

Espress

It is true, apparently Benard Tommic is allowed to drive his bright orange M3 because he is a celebrity.

I saw him cruising through surfers one day with his flat cap mate in the front seat.

TwinCam16

A mate has proven it's easy to get around, now cruising in a BA XR6 Turbo.

And having said that, If you are dumb to not know how to get around it, then you don't have the brain power to be behind the wheel of such a car regardless.

truffles

Haven't you heard? He's not as young as he says he is. His father/whoever keep editing his birth certificate so he can be a good player for his 'age'. Seriously though, it's rumour to have happend.

Espress

Dunno bro, he had green P plates on it, that's all I know for sure.

Edit: Wait, are you being sarcastic?

truffles

Partially less and partially no. He would have got an exemption for being a famous wanker.


I have a mate who played junior tour with him and says his age has changed over the years, along with his story.