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26th March 2011 - 10:08 PM
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YrocLeumas
Post #282
QUOTE (rb2530_skyline @ Mar 27 2011, 03:58 PM)  I can drive a non turbo supra, yet cant drive a barbie style ford capri cause its turbo (not that i would want to drive it) You can also drive a caterham super 7 But not a v8 toyota landcruiser. |
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boost bogan
Post #284
im a red p plater with a 4wd for camping and to use during the day, and a mini spooled R31 for play, FEEL THE HATE! |
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Rancher
Post #285
QUOTE (rb2530_skyline @ Mar 27 2011, 03:58 PM) I can drive a non turbo supra, yet cant drive a barbie style ford capri cause its turbo (not that i would want to drive it) Cause.. Non turbo supras are sooo fast. Its bearly faster then the capri turbo you're comparing it to. QUOTE (YrocLeumas @ Mar 27 2011, 04:24 PM) You can also drive a caterham super 7 But not a v8 toyota landcruiser. I think you'll find you cant drive the caterham super 7, as its above the power/weight.. But, half a point for trying. |
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truffles
Post #286
QUOTE (Rancher @ Mar 27 2011, 06:08 PM) Cause.. Non turbo supras are sooo fast. Its bearly faster then the capri turbo you're comparing it to. I think you'll find you cant drive the caterham super 7, as its above the power/weight.. But, half a point for trying. If it's Queensland, this power to weight ratio you speak of does not exist. |
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B Unit
Post #287
QUOTE (boost bogan @ Mar 27 2011, 06:05 PM) im a red p plater with a 4wd for camping and to use during the day, and a mini spooled R31 for play, FEEL THE HATE! See if I was a P plater going through these current restrictions, this is exactly what I would do. Get a 4wd for daily and fun, and a track beast if I really felt the need to rip skids, drift, whatever. You sir are setting a fine example. |
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YrocLeumas
Post #288
QUOTE (Rancher @ Mar 27 2011, 06:08 PM) I think you'll find you cant drive the caterham super 7, as its above the power/weight.. But, half a point for trying. Qld  Power to weight is where its at. |
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93vrcommo
Post #290
hi all, i'm on my green p's and have been for nearly 20 months, which means i get my opens in 4 months, i believe that these bullshit p plater laws are just to stop young drivers have nice cars, all the government is out to do is make money, i mean i just got my p's back and nearly everytime i go past a cop car they turn around and pull me over just because i'm on my p's. it's bullshit some one was saying before and it comes down to the driver, it does, regardless what any wanker out there says, i beleive if the government had half a brain they would give all p platers a chance on there 2nd year of there green p's to get behind the wheel of a higher powered vehicle and if they passed a defensive driving course or some shit like that that they should be allowed to drive the higher powered vehicles if they have no fines or previous suspensions, because as i stated before it comes down to the driver and i beleive its bullshit how every p plater out there is punished because of what dickhead p platers in the past have done, why punish us leave us alone and start looking at the older generation because they are the ones that cause some accidents aswell, but no yet again a p plater is more likely to be blamed for the accident instead, so what i am saying is the government needs to give us p platers a chance to prove we can drive higher powered vehicles with out causing accidents before judging us all on what p platers of the past have done, cheers all and i hope i have made sense and another things is i had one only 9 maybe 10 hours of driving and went for my driving test and passed on my first attempt, since getting my red p's back in 2007 i have had a couple of fines, yes im not innocent, but take all those fines off how many times i have avoided an accident due to some other dickhead who acts before they think nearly causing accidents, and yet i have never had an accident, never killed anyone while driving a car,or even stupid enough to think im absolute top shit. so yet again i argue it comes down to the driver and the government shouldnt be punishing all p platers because of some of them that want to be dickheads in cars and those of the past that have done wrong |
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mark1414
Post #291
QUOTE (93vrcommo @ Mar 27 2011, 11:00 PM) hi all, i'm on my green p's and have been for nearly 20 months, which means i get my opens in 4 months, i believe that these bullshit p plater laws are just to stop young drivers have nice cars, all the government is out to do is make money, i mean i just got my p's back and nearly everytime i go past a cop car they turn around and pull me over just because i'm on my p's. it's bullshit some one was saying before and it comes down to the driver, it does, regardless what any wanker out there says, i beleive if the government had half a brain they would give all p platers a chance on there 2nd year of there green p's to get behind the wheel of a higher powered vehicle and if they passed a defensive driving course or some shit like that that they should be allowed to drive the higher powered vehicles if they have no fines or previous suspensions, because as i stated before it comes down to the driver and i beleive its bullshit how every p plater out there is punished because of what dickhead p platers in the past have done, why punish us leave us alone and start looking at the older generation because they are the ones that cause some accidents aswell, but no yet again a p plater is more likely to be blamed for the accident instead, so what i am saying is the government needs to give us p platers a chance to prove we can drive higher powered vehicles with out causing accidents before judging us all on what p platers of the past have done, cheers all and i hope i have made sense How does the government make money from introducing the p plate laws? Im sure the technology these days is good enough that when they run your plates they can see if you are on your P's or not without having to see a big plate on there. Pretty sure they would make more money if they let you guys drive high powered cars, that way they would get more speeding fines! Whats the difference between 3 years and 2 years? What if they made p plates go for 4 years and you could drive high powered cars after 3 if you did a defensive driving course? Would that be alright for you?? |
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93vrcommo
Post #292
QUOTE (mark1414 @ Mar 28 2011, 12:08 AM) How does the government make money from introducing the p plate laws? Im sure the technology these days is good enough that when they run your plates they can see if you are on your P's or not without having to see a big plate on there. Pretty sure they would make more money if they let you guys drive high powered cars, that way they would get more speeding fines! Whats the difference between 3 years and 2 years? What if they made p plates go for 4 years and you could drive high powered cars after 3 if you did a defensive driving course? Would that be alright for you?? no i believe that they should just abolish this bullshit laws and give all p platers a fair chance, and its not just the p platers out their getting speeding fines but yet its still targeted at us because we are "young and inexperienced", so come on be fair, is it just p platers out their getting fines or is it everyone why should it be just us getting punished |
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mark1414
Post #293
QUOTE (93vrcommo @ Mar 27 2011, 11:14 PM) no i believe that they should just abolish this bullshit laws and give all p platers a fair chance, and its not just the p platers out their getting speeding fines but yet its still targeted at us, so come on be fair, is it just p platers out their getting fines or is it everyone You're right, they should restrict you guys further so you cant possibly get any speeding fines. |
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93vrcommo
Post #294
QUOTE (mark1414 @ Mar 28 2011, 12:17 AM) You're right, they should restrict you guys further so you cant possibly get any speeding fines. no mate you are not getting the point, how many people out there can actually say that they have never coped a fine from the police while driving a motor vehicle, been done for speeding, talking on a mobile phone, doing burnouts, running red lights, come on mate get over yourself and start to realise that it's not just p platers getting fines but yet we are getting punished for it, and if anyone else agrees you should leave a post on here saying so |
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mark1414
Post #295
QUOTE (93vrcommo @ Mar 27 2011, 11:20 PM) no mate you are not getting the point, how many people out there can actually say that they have never coped a fine from the police while driving a motor vehicle, been done for speeding, talking on a mobile phone, doing burnouts, running red lights, come on mate get over yourself and start to realise that it's not just p platers getting fines but yet we are getting punished for it, and if anyone else agrees you should leave a post on here saying so If you don't think there is a reason for the p plate laws then you are extremely deluded. No the big bad government is not out to get you, its just the way it is. |
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93vrcommo
Post #296
QUOTE (mark1414 @ Mar 28 2011, 12:24 AM) If you don't think there is a reason for the p plate laws then you are extremely deluded. No the big bad government is not out to get you, its just the way it is. yep mate, your right, i guess im wrong, another p plater out here winging about how hard it is, piss off mate i guess that your either a copper, someone involved in the government or just some loser who never had the opportunity to experience how hard it is as a p plater in todays world to get a licence, i bet you anything if a study was taking between p platers and open licence drivers a rekon a lot of the p platers will be able to pass a licence test with less marks as what an open licence driver would or if not it would be close to p plater being better drivers than some of these wankers out their who have their opens, (not saying all open licence drivers are bad, just the ones who cant drive) |
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mark1414
Post #298
QUOTE (93vrcommo @ Mar 27 2011, 11:31 PM) yep mate, your right, i guess im wrong, another p plater out here winging about how hard it is, piss off mate i guess that your either a copper, someone involved in the government or just some loser who never had the opportunity to experience how hard it is as a p plater in todays world to get a licence, i bet you anything if a study was taking between p platers and open licence drivers a rekon a lot of the p platers will be able to pass a licence test with less marks as what an open licence driver would or if not it would be close to p plater being better drivers than some of these wankers out their who have their opens, (not saying all open licence drivers are bad, just the ones who cant drive) 'I bet you anything' you don't know what your talking about. Some open licence holders have a few bad habits but at the end of the day they have more experience and generally more maturity. Ever wonder why P platers who are over 25 years old have no power restrictions? At the end of the day its not only experience but more importantly maturity, which clearly you don't have. |
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93vrcommo
Post #299
QUOTE (senolsan @ Mar 28 2011, 12:34 AM) P-Plate restrictions Introduced to save your life. Why don't we just ban all cars capable of over 110kph to everyone? Then you can't speed either... And it would accelerate so slowly you could hardly ever lose control.... that would be a waste of time mate because that would mean that there would be nearly no cars in australia, duh |
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93vrcommo
Post #300
QUOTE (mark1414 @ Mar 28 2011, 12:35 AM) 'I bet you anything' you don't know what your talking about. Some open licence holders have a few bad habits but at the end of the day they have more experience and generally more maturity. Ever wonder why P platers who are over 25 years old have no power restrictions? At the end of the day its not only experience but more importantly maturity, which clearly you don't have. yep, open licence drivers may be supposibly more mature but yet again that comes done to the person, which yet again is being stereotypical, saying all p platers are bad drivers, not all p platers are immature or bad drivers, i know plenty of p platers out there who are more mature than "over 25", here this everybody 'mark1414' believes everybody under the age of 25 is immature, not good choice of words mate, im not interested in staying on here all nite arguing with some wanker who is stereotyping all p platers as hoons, immature and to inexperienced because us p platers know the truth we are more mature than half of these wanker open licence drivers on the roads |
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mark1414
Post #301
QUOTE (93vrcommo @ Mar 27 2011, 11:42 PM) yep, open licence drivers may be supposibly more mature but yet again that comes done to the person, which yet again is being stereotypical, saying all p platers are bad drivers, not all p platers are immature or bad drivers, i know plenty of p platers out there who are more mature than "over 25", here this everybody 'mark1414' believes everybody under the age of 25 is immature, not good choice of words mate, im not interested in staying on here all nite arguing with some wanker who is stereotyping all p platers as hoons, immature and to inexperienced because us p platers know the truth we are more mature than half of these wanker open licence drivers on the roads Doing a defensive driving course does not prove you are mature. Do you expect the government to do individual psych tests on you all to test your maturity? You will soon learn most things in life are not fair, its always the majority that get punished for the minoritys actions, its just something you have to deal with. Also btw maybe reread what I said. No where did I say everyone under 25 is immature. I'm under 25 myself, not on P plate laws though, enjoy that. |
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senolsan
Post #302
QUOTE (93vrcommo @ Mar 27 2011, 11:35 PM) that would be a waste of time mate because that would mean that there would be nearly no cars in australia, duh Well instead of speed-limitting cars to 180kmph etc.. they could just as easily limit them to the highest legal speed in the country they are destined for. Theres no reason why a car should travel faster than the speed limit! If you want to show off to your mates do it on a track. The R35 GT-R is almost a very good example of this. it's limited to 112mph (180kmph) on normal roads, but once it realises its on a track via GPS, the limiter is removed. IMO that street limiter should be set a lot lower! This still doesnt help if you are travelling at 110 in a 60 zone though. I'm sure a system could be designed to work as a variable limiter.. ie one for suburban areas and one for highways. GPS is pretty accurate. |
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truffles
Post #303
QUOTE (93vrcommo @ Mar 27 2011, 11:42 PM) yep, open licence drivers may be supposibly more mature but yet again that comes done to the person, which yet again is being stereotypical, saying all p platers are bad drivers, not all p platers are immature or bad drivers, i know plenty of p platers out there who are more mature than "over 25", here this everybody 'mark1414' believes everybody under the age of 25 is immature, not good choice of words mate, im not interested in staying on here all nite arguing with some wanker who is stereotyping all p platers as hoons, immature and to inexperienced because us p platers know the truth we are more mature than half of these wanker open licence drivers on the roads QUOTE (mark1414 @ Mar 28 2011, 12:01 AM) Doing a defensive driving course does not prove you are mature. Do you expect the government to do individual psych tests on you all to test your maturity? You will soon learn most things in life are not fair, its always the majority that get punished for the minoritys actions, its just something you have to deal with. Also btw maybe reread what I said. No where did I say everyone under 25 is immature. I'm under 25 myself, not on P plate laws though, enjoy that. Mark is right. The standard regarding 25 years of age is there for a scientific reason. Whilst you are considered an adult at 18 the brain continues to develop well into your 20's. One of the last regions of the brain to fully mature is that associated with decision making. This particular part doesn't full mature until 24-25; Specifically in males. By restricting high-powered vehicles, amongst other things gives inexperienced drivers more time to make a correct decision on the road. Did you honestly think they just started at an arbitrary age, with no justification? It's not a question of how "mature" you act, so get the fuck over that. Scientific evidence > Your "maturity". I agree with the need for laws regarding P-Plate drivers. However, they clearly could have put more thought into the process before enacting said laws. EDIT: Before you comment; I'm 20 years old and had to endure the same laws you're currently subjected to. So don't comment that I wouldn't know. |
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TwinCam16
Post #305
QUOTE (93vrcommo @ Mar 27 2011, 11:00 PM) hi all, i'm on my green p's and have been for nearly 20 months, which means i get my opens in 4 months, i believe that these bullshit p plater laws are just to stop young drivers have nice cars, all the government is out to do is make money, i mean i just got my p's back and nearly everytime i go past a cop car they turn around and pull me over just because i'm on my p's. it's bullshit some one was saying before and it comes down to the driver, it does, regardless what any wanker out there says, i beleive if the government had half a brain they would give all p platers a chance on there 2nd year of there green p's to get behind the wheel of a higher powered vehicle and if they passed a defensive driving course or some shit like that that they should be allowed to drive the higher powered vehicles if they have no fines or previous suspensions, because as i stated before it comes down to the driver and i beleive its bullshit how every p plater out there is punished because of what dickhead p platers in the past have done, why punish us leave us alone and start looking at the older generation because they are the ones that cause some accidents aswell, but no yet again a p plater is more likely to be blamed for the accident instead, so what i am saying is the government needs to give us p platers a chance to prove we can drive higher powered vehicles with out causing accidents before judging us all on what p platers of the past have done, cheers all and i hope i have made sense and another things is i had one only 9 maybe 10 hours of driving and went for my driving test and passed on my first attempt, since getting my red p's back in 2007 i have had a couple of fines, yes im not innocent, but take all those fines off how many times i have avoided an accident due to some other dickhead who acts before they think nearly causing accidents, and yet i have never had an accident, never killed anyone while driving a car,or even stupid enough to think im absolute top shit. so yet again i argue it comes down to the driver and the government shouldnt be punishing all p platers because of some of them that want to be dickheads in cars and those of the past that have done wrong First of all, you need to spend less time in the car and more at tafe learning English spelling and grammar. That's appalling mate, seriously. You ever heard of a paragraph? Second, it COST more money to implement the p plate laws. A SHITLOAD of money. Third, I'm sorry, but you hero's do NOT have the ability to control a high power car. And that comes down to both skill and self control, more so self control. If you don't like it, tell your mates and fellow p platers to stop doing stupid shit and things COULD change. The issue is, power is a lot more affordable now days than it was 10 / 15 years ago hence putting a 250 - 300kw missile in the reach of a 17 year old child. It was only a matter of time before it happened, and with the influx of low breed teenagers (read: flat cappers and bogans) it was either do something NOW and harsh or let you kids start killing other innocent road users. If it was just you kids killing each other, then yeah, I'm all for it. Natural selection at its finest. |
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Darkness
Post #306
QUOTE (93vrcommo @ Mar 27 2011, 10:30 PM) hi all, i'm on my green p's and have been for nearly 20 months, which means i get my opens in 4 months, i believe that these bullshit p plater laws are just to stop young drivers have nice cars, all the government is out to do is make money, i mean i just got my p's back and nearly everytime i go past a cop car they turn around and pull me over just because i'm on my p's. it's bullshit some one was saying before and it comes down to the driver, it does, regardless what any wanker out there says, i beleive if the government had half a brain they would give all p platers a chance on there 2nd year of there green p's to get behind the wheel of a higher powered vehicle and if they passed a defensive driving course or some shit like that that they should be allowed to drive the higher powered vehicles if they have no fines or previous suspensions, because as i stated before it comes down to the driver and i beleive its bullshit how every p plater out there is punished because of what dickhead p platers in the past have done, why punish us leave us alone and start looking at the older generation because they are the ones that cause some accidents aswell, but no yet again a p plater is more likely to be blamed for the accident instead, so what i am saying is the government needs to give us p platers a chance to prove we can drive higher powered vehicles with out causing accidents before judging us all on what p platers of the past have done, cheers all and i hope i have made sense and another things is i had one only 9 maybe 10 hours of driving and went for my driving test and passed on my first attempt, since getting my red p's back in 2007 i have had a couple of fines, yes im not innocent, but take all those fines off how many times i have avoided an accident due to some other dickhead who acts before they think nearly causing accidents, and yet i have never had an accident, never killed anyone while driving a car,or even stupid enough to think im absolute top shit. so yet again i argue it comes down to the driver and the government shouldnt be punishing all p platers because of some of them that want to be dickheads in cars and those of the past that have done wrong You're a prime example that it should be mandatory for P platers should be made to drive Proton Savvy's, or little pink 50cc scooters with a basket on the front. |
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clutch-monkey
Post #307
QUOTE i believe that these bullshit p plater laws are just to stop young drivers have nice car i didn't get past this line. no clue, this guy.. |
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B Unit
Post #308
QUOTE (93vrcommo @ Mar 28 2011, 12:20 AM) no mate you are not getting the point, how many people out there can actually say that they have never coped a fine from the police while driving a motor vehicle, been done for speeding, talking on a mobile phone, doing burnouts, running red lights, come on mate get over yourself and start to realise that it's not just p platers getting fines but yet we are getting punished for it, and if anyone else agrees you should leave a post on here saying so Last ticket I would have received would have been before you even got your licence, and the one prior was about about 4-5 year previous. I own a few cars, all turbo including a turbo V8 which I have never had a ticket in during the 5 years I have owned it. I have been driving for over 20 years and have never lost my licence and average a ticket about once every 4-5 years. QUOTE (93vrcommo @ Mar 28 2011, 12:42 AM) yep, open licence drivers may be supposibly more mature but yet again that comes done to the person, which yet again is being stereotypical, saying all p platers are bad drivers, not all p platers are immature or bad drivers, i know plenty of p platers out there who are more mature than "over 25", here this everybody 'mark1414' believes everybody under the age of 25 is immature, not good choice of words mate, im not interested in staying on here all nite arguing with some wanker who is stereotyping all p platers as hoons, immature and to inexperienced because us p platers know the truth we are more mature than half of these wanker open licence drivers on the roads Surely you can't be serious.QUOTE (truffles @ Mar 28 2011, 01:28 AM) Mark is right. The standard regarding 25 years of age is there for a scientific reason. Whilst you are considered an adult at 18 the brain continues to develop well into your 20's. One of the last regions of the brain to fully mature is that associated with decision making. This particular part doesn't full mature until 24-25; Specifically in males. By restricting high-powered vehicles, amongst other things gives inexperienced drivers more time to make a correct decision on the road. Did you honestly think they just started at an arbitrary age, with no justification? It's not a question of how "mature" you act, so get the fuck over that. Scientific evidence > Your "maturity". I agree with the need for laws regarding P-Plate drivers. However, they clearly could have put more thought into the process before enacting said laws. EDIT: Before you comment; I'm 20 years old and had to endure the same laws you're currently subjected to. So don't comment that I wouldn't know. Coincidently this is also when the body finishes puberty, around the 24-25 mark. |
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thanatozz
Post #310
The only thing i'll agree with is that not all young people are unable to drive high powered vehicles. I'm older and got my P's a few months before the new laws. I drove some turbo cars and never had an accident. But also every day i drove about 3 hours doing street contracting work and saw the incredible stupidity of a lot of drivers out there.. Having to avoid several people failing to merge and other near-crash misses. One or two were because i didn't have proper side vision from being in a van. |
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Espress
Post #311
We put an exhaust and pod on my ED falcon 5 speed and It is not that much slower than my skyline. It's just the skyline handles and stops 3x as well. |
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truffles
Post #312
QUOTE (Espress @ Mar 28 2011, 09:23 AM) I would like to know when this limiting of privileges will end though, like why not limit all cars to 110? The rules are a joke in the first place but blanket ruling v8 and turbos literally make the law pointless when I can go hop in ba xr6 but can't drive a stock s13. The only reason the laws conceivably make sense is when you consider the fact that turbos can be more easily modified, but why not just ban all modified cars. You answered your own question. Also, no the laws don't make sense. They were pushed through the system without a proper thought process given. This is in regards to turbochargers being used on newer and safer cars for better fuel econemy, not performance. Like the golf GTI. Generally speaking; Like most other things, politicians know fuck all about cars. So the pratical flaws within these laws that looked sound on paper didn't become apparent until it was too late. |
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Ralli
Post #313
QUOTE (93vrcommo @ Mar 27 2011, 11:00 PM) hi all, i'm on my green p's and have been for nearly 20 months, which means i get my opens in 4 months, i believe that these bullshit p plater laws are just to stop young drivers have nice cars, all the government is out to do is make money, i mean i just got my p's back and nearly everytime i go past a cop car they turn around and pull me over just because i'm on my p's. it's bullshit some one was saying before and it comes down to the driver, it does, regardless what any wanker out there says, i beleive if the government had half a brain they would give all p platers a chance on there 2nd year of there green p's to get behind the wheel of a higher powered vehicle and if they passed a defensive driving course or some shit like that that they should be allowed to drive the higher powered vehicles if they have no fines or previous suspensions, because as i stated before it comes down to the driver and i beleive its bullshit how every p plater out there is punished because of what dickhead p platers in the past have done, why punish us leave us alone and start looking at the older generation because they are the ones that cause some accidents aswell, but no yet again a p plater is more likely to be blamed for the accident instead, so what i am saying is the government needs to give us p platers a chance to prove we can drive higher powered vehicles with out causing accidents before judging us all on what p platers of the past have done, cheers all and i hope i have made sense and another things is i had one only 9 maybe 10 hours of driving and went for my driving test and passed on my first attempt, since getting my red p's back in 2007 i have had a couple of fines, yes im not innocent, but take all those fines off how many times i have avoided an accident due to some other dickhead who acts before they think nearly causing accidents, and yet i have never had an accident, never killed anyone while driving a car,or even stupid enough to think im absolute top shit. so yet again i argue it comes down to the driver and the government shouldnt be punishing all p platers because of some of them that want to be dickheads in cars and those of the past that have done wrong  that was very hard to read !!! Bolded bits made me laugh reeeeeeeeeeeeally hard !!  You are so so so naive !!!! |
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DAL32
Post #315
QUOTE (93vrcommo @ Mar 27 2011, 11:00 PM) hi all, i'm on my green p's and have been for nearly 20 months, which means i get my opens in 4 months, i believe that these bullshit p plater laws are just to stop young drivers have nice cars, all the government is out to do is make money, i mean i just got my p's back and nearly everytime i go past a cop car they turn around and pull me over just because i'm on my p's. Or maybe you have a shit car which makes them want to pull you up? 18 year old Commodore, yeah, I'd pull you over. |
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