P Plate Restrictions - Done to death I know but hoping for a decent conversation.  

Simpwn91

Please show me where my language is rough?

Twat In The Hat

Thing is, that also comes down to maturity. The general attitude of most P platers on here regarding safety campaigns is that they are funny. Australia have been airing televised safety campaigns regarding speeding/drink driving/fatigue for at LEAST 20 years. I know the first TAC campaign in Victoria was aired in 1989.. I was 3. You weren't even born.

The fact that if you lose control of a car and crash, that you may very VERY easily die, or kill someone else is common knowledge. They don't need to show that. It's drilled into our heads like the fact that touching a hot stove will burn you or that rain is wet. You can't change young people's mentality. (you said because one kid does silly things, fact is MOST kids do silly things, it's the minority that don't) The issue isn't that they don't know what can happen, it's that they thing they are so awesome that it WON'T happen to them. More driver training isn't the answer either, because to most people with half a brain, 3 years in a weak vehicle, coupled with NOT being a wanker on the road, is more than enough to be a safe driver. You don't need to know how to control your vehicle when it loses control around a corner.. Why? Because you shouldn't be doing anything that will make you lose control. I'm 24.. NEVER crashed. My only interaction with police regarding traffic offences, was a defect (which I happily took responsibility for) that I honestly didn't know was defectable. I didn't put the blue park lights in. Either way. It's not that much of a big deal. It applies in MANY aspects of life. There is also a reason (it's not just the government) why you can't hire a car until you're 25 and insurance is cheaper when you're over 25.

warney

you live in the gold coast, he doesnt have to

Simpwn91

It sucks to be a minority. =\ I just wish there werent so many bastards that ruin it for us all.
When i bought my car i needed a reliable car that was good on petrol, the car i had before was too old and was too unreliable for all the travelling i was doing.
JUST to have a safe, reliable car to get me to and from work in- it costs me $175 a month to insure it (waiting to find out how much its gonna go up since i just moved). Had i not shopped around some insurance companies would have had me pay anywhere up to $4000 a year.

I'm not exactly sure how much it costs to insure performance cars and my figure may seem low compared to some, but all i drive is a 2L 4 cyl car, its got like 7 airbags or something...all the safety features a new car should have...
(May i also add that ive never crashed, never got a fine, never lost a point, never made an insurance claim...absolutely everything should be going my way...I would be interested to find out how much it costs a young driver who's been caught speeding to insure their car)
On top of all this, young people are lower in ranking in their careers, hence being paid less. I was an apprentice on $250-400 a week(Don't even ask how i got financed). Luckily i started my trade young, and im now qualified. For a lot of young people my age, they have just finished high school and dont have ANY qualifications.

Also, i think you have a good argument. Good to see you don't need to throw around personal insults to prove your point.

mark1414

Yeah its a really sad world we live in when you cant buy a brand new car right out of school

Rancher

Duh... Why should young people get paid the same amount as people with experience..? Why should an apprentice get paid the same amount as a qualified whatever. Thats the point of life, you don't leave school, and be able to get any job you wanted, getting paid the same amount as others with experience. This is what annoys me about young people, thinking they have had it hard. Just about everyone has had it hard. Not just you. Heck, I was an apprentice at one point in my life, on 300 a week. Paying 250 bucks rent. How was mums cooking..?

Why has this thread just been about whinging P platers, and young kids who seem to think life is tough.

Simpwn91

Yes, youre absolutely right, why should someone with no experience get paid more!
But it makes it a lot harder when you are getting paid less, and getting ripped off by every organization in the country. (which was my point, not that im having a cry that young people arent professionals like 35 yr olds)

For the record i moved out as soon as i got full time work when i was 16. Yeah, rent, car payments, food, electricity, insurance and all the rest on apprentice wages. Insurance is that hidden little thing that stabs you right in the face just when you think you've got it all worked out.

lol at my metaphor

also just interested what your trade is?

dazzazoo

heres a good question for yah ... if young people are to immature to drive a high powered car then why are there guys under 25 in the v8supercar and development series which have 600+hp cars and travel at over 300km/h and they can drive as good if not better than the older guys ...

Rancher

Its the only way to get places.. Start at the bottom, and make your way up. My trade is what I do.



Wow.. Thick much... Have a look at the biography of some of them. Most of them started racing go-karts when they were 5, up to formula fords, etc, etc. They don't just come in off the street with zilch experience, and ask for a job. But, Thanks for having a go at the conversation.

Simpwn91

What do you do?

dazzazoo

kinda trying to make a point ... in some european countries they start learning to drive from the time they can reach the pedals and see over the steering wheel then spend years training before they get there full licence or allowed to drive on there own ... something we should adopt in aus 100hours on ls and a few months isnt long enough i rekon ...

obey

Turbo cars are only more dangerous if you are hooning in them.

There are people out there to catch you if you go hooning.

Can't get away with much when it's only takes 4 demerits to make your license go bye bye.

Don't really want to get involved in this again but just some food for thought.

Rancher

You also get wet when you stand outside in the rain. You turn blue if you're choking. Hungry when you haven't eaten. Need to pee if you've drank too much water. Want me to keep going?

Also. Since 11 pages and you still don't understand. Its not about losing your license. It's about losing your life, killing others, and destroying at the very minimum. Two families. You shouldn't have gotten involved to start with.

fullysicman

1. V8's all the cars are going the same way
2. When they crash they have the best protection inside the car
3. When they lose it there is often not to much to hit
4. They don't have there mates sitting in with them
5. They normally have the attitude to try and NOT crash and therefor earn some points
6. They normally do lots of practice
7. Once again laws are there to police the majority not the minority

clutch-monkey

lol. :headwall:

B Unit

There is nothing stopping you from racing in the V8 supercar series too, with the exception of talent, experience, financial backing etc. But otherwise, go for it.

clutch-monkey

clearly a majority of P platers are represented in the V8 supercar series

dazzazoo

what i ment in my v8 supercar statement is everyone is saying that young drivers are to immature to drive high powered cars ... which is wrong .. all comes down to how your trained WHICH would explain why so many young are dying and the roads are full of dickheads its because the current licencing system has next to no training and is far to easy and is in desperate need of a overhaul ...

TwinCam16

I beg your pardon?

Who was the F1 driver that was doing skids in Melbourne and had his car impounded, young fella, I think he has JUST turned 25...

Proof that you can behave on a track and even though you are a "professional" driver, still act up on the street.

Guess what? high power Merc if i recall...

Lewis Hamilton?

TwinCam16

Been for a drive through Ipswich latley?

STFUKhubner

You jew and he has lol he came to my house

vltek

all it is, is some shit kicker stuck in a office has no life. us young people should be allowed to have nice decent cars. stupid idiots making laws that they know shit all about and they cant even drive on the road them self...... and ever notice most cop cars are un roadworthy iv came across heaps now and take a care full look next time u pass em no tread on tyres and lights on rear n front are out haha n we all get picked on coz where p plater haha sucks balls

TwinCam16

You little man, are the exact reason why there are restrictions in place.

Thanks for the stereotype backup and making mature p platers look like total cock smokers.

Hope this helps.

Twat In The Hat

Hahahaha! I think his head lights are out in his brain

Espress

Actually they ARE the same person.
Actually they ARE the same person.
Actually they ARE the same person.





Don't understand how this type of shit makes its way into what is mostly a civilized debate, Off topic you could understand but time and time again it appears in general.

I Fry 2

it would be good if the government agreed to let certain P platers drive high powered cars but only after extensive track time and defensive driving courses are recorded and what not. I rekon that would be fair? im an L plater atm and want my daily to be a turbo car without going through that exemption crap... and no im not dreaming, i do race around lakeside and qr with sub 60sec lap times in a R33 and ive seen the worst of things when they go oops and its pretty scary. I have no urge to speed on the street after a good days racing, i just let it build up for the next race but i dont think my post will change the laws one bit.....

silver31

I think you'll find that its pretty hard to get a drive in V8 supercar if you are a moron, from a long line of morons. For example, while Joe Bogan jr. from Ipswich can quite easily get his Ps, its exceptionally hard to run a V8SC team out of a housing commision home's carport with centrelink as main sponsor. Conversely, the experienced young people you see in things like V8SC are often educated and sensible. Its almost Social Darwinism.
Its a little hard to enact this social change on the road though.




No it wouldn't be fair, as soon as you introduce exemptions and special cases it becomes harder to enforce the whole thing and wide open to rorting.

milehigheric

When will people understand it is not skill (or lack their of) that is getting young kids in trouble. You could be world number one in a particular motorsport feild, handle a car better then anyone else in the world but at the end of the day your attitude is what is going to sort you out. Fact is teenagers, early 20's hell even early 30's have a huge problem of imaturity. They think nothing will happen to them, "it happens to other people because they fucked up", "im not going to". As soon as you enter a public road your rolling the dice....I have been hit by another driver, it fucking hurt, I lost money from lost work...did I think it was going to happen to me, shit no. When you start acting stupid on the road you just increasing your chances...you keep pushing that line until eventually you hit it and get yourself in trouble.

Im only in my 20's, but even now I can see how immature I used to drive....Eventually the current P platers will see that these laws are there to protect them. If anything these laws need to get tougher..

mark1414

Got to agree with that. A lot of the people in this thread (mostly P platers surprise surprise) don't understand that its all about the attitude. Even if your the best driver ever the roads and other drivers on them are never predictable. AND yes I realise OP has said that in his first post but the gumbyment or anyone else for that matter cant test each individual persons attitudes at all times, so blanket restrictions are in place until the drivers are older (going back to the age/maturity level research).

TwinCam16

I don't hear people on 250cc motor bike restrictions complaining about not being able to jump straight onto an R6 / R1...

Think of the P plate laws as an apprenticeship. Once you do your time you are free to do as you want. Until then, you do as your boss tells you.

YrocLeumas

I think that that pretty much sums this thread up

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71-BEETLE-SEDAN

I think that the p-plate laws are doing there job.

truffles

Nice thread bump, clown.

YrocLeumas

Didn't you read my post?
Also fixed.

rb2530_skyline

I can drive a non turbo supra, yet cant drive a barbie style ford capri cause its turbo (not that i would want to drive it)