E85 Is Avaible At The Pump In Qld  

CamaroSS

Some hidden ponies in here if you tune for E-Flex

Cam

HSV.374

Here comes the big fuel debate..

the_random_hero

Fuck. Yes.
I've been waiting for this for a long time before I decide on final specs for my engine. I was almost thrown off by the cost of buying it by the barrel.

CamaroSS

My next 454 will be E85 tuned.

Cam

jish

Oh fuck yeah.

Might be a plan for both the 32 and Keto when both are finished/the time comes to tune.

Any idea on cost???

pig060

were abouts is selling it??? i cant seeem to find were???

Tweak

Queensland
ALEXANDRA HILLS, Cnr Finucane Rd & Cambridge Dr
WORONGARY 1 Mudgeeraba Rd
BROOKWATER, 7001 Augusta Parkway
MACKENZIE 1015 Mt Gravatt-Capalaba Road
MARSDEN 10 Third Ave. Cnr Browns Plains Rd

warney

how do you tune a "non tunable" car ???

warney

And i want united to bring 100 ron up here both my cars love it ! its brilliant !

Tweak

well i dare say once e85 become more available over the rest of the year competition will increase and probly this time next year 100ron may come up

the_random_hero

Warney, unless your engine was built for it, don't run it. You will lose power and run lean.
I'm using it because I'm aiming for 10:1+ comp and 25psi-boost, something I doing you'd ever achieve on pump gas. Any idea what octane this is? Is it shit fuel mixed with ethanol to make a decent octane rating or is it premium mixed with ethanol to make 106+ octane

warney

Im pretty sure its 104 to 106 octane rating, as its been down in melbourne for fucking years (fuck qld is slow with moving forwards) and im sure its on the ford forum(or alike) about what octane rating it is!

TRY TOO

I would say its shit mixed with 85%... Why run such high compression when you want to run 25 pound!! Think itll take more than ethanol to be able to run any timing...

Gagginforit

sooo, NOT BEING UP TO DATE so to speak on this " FUEL" you speak of. What are the benifits of the E85 over the other premium fuels? Looking at buting an STI at the moment and hearing a lot of " Needs to run 95 " and the like. So is this 85 better than 95? If so why?

NOS440

i think the term 85 means it consists of 85% ethanol....someone will confirm or advise the correct

Tweak

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E85

HSV

E85 I believe means 85% Ethanol blended in with it.

Interestingly my car is being tuned as we speak, might ask him to drain the tank and I'll supply the E85 from Worongary there.

deadly_wasted

yes it is just 85% ethanol blended. It is what V8 Supercars run on.

unless your computer is tuned for the E85 you want to run 95RON or above.

HSV

Scratch that, just rung the servos, equipment has been dropped off but not yet installed......

deadly_wasted

Did they tell you when they were looking at have it operational?

the_random_hero

There's a huge difference though mate. Shit fuel + ethanol was expected to have an octane rating of only 95, while premium along with ethanol was meant to be around 106.
No reason at all I can't run the compression and boost I want, fuel will take care of pinging and I'm planing on running an O-ringed block, ARP studs and a half inch girdle.

TRY TOO

I think youll find you wont be able to run fuckall timing with that much compression... But feel free to try prove that wrong butt....

the_random_hero

All comes down to tuning mate, I have no concerns about it at all. Ten years ago any boost at all at that was completely unheard of, I know people running similar boost figures and compression without a single issue.

TRY TOO

But all the tuning in the world cant stop a motor pinging without taking timing and as you would know bottom line is timing is power pretty much..

32 MKV

What are the requirements needed to be changed to run E85 to most potential and what is the complete benefit over it opposed to Octane 98?

HSV

Most of them said late next week maybe.

And unknown on cost of E85 atm.

Street Tuned

The guys on hardtuned.net swear by this stuff in their SR20s. Although most of them have been buying from UNITED Fuels I think.


But E85 is about 106 octane so you can run loads more timing, higher compression and of course a shit load more boost.


To give you an idea a lot of the guying running low mount 2871r and 264 cams are making about 250-257kw on 98 pump. On E85 and running about 25-26 psi they are making over 285kw. Obviously with turbos like 3076r that are making 310kw on 98 you are now getting close to 340kw+ on E85.



While this is awesome for the modified car community I will be waiting a little while to make sure the blends are in in fact a true consistent 85% ethanol and 15% petrol. The last thing you want to do is run that sort of timing and PSI with inconsistent fuel.


PUMP E85 down south is sold at 99c a litre as it is a green fuel. Hopefully we will get that up here.

Street Tuned

Depends on how tuned your car is. But at least some fuel system upgrades are required. I think you need at least about 30% larger injectors of course a large fuel pump.

Because Ethanol does attract water if you are constantly running it you will need to upgrade you fuel lines to stainless steel or corrosive resistant items.

But IMO the benefits far out weigh the cost.

Granthem

May I ask why?

Built for it in what terms?

E85 (the good shit) will make gains on any setup when tuned for it. In fact, there is generally an easy 30-40rwkw being had by most SAU members (with the subsequent ability of more boost and timing)... stock Rb's (internally)

Just remember guys, it also burns quicker. Make sure your pump and injectors have some breathing room to run this fuel. 30% seems to be the accepted figure

MR2Mark

Given that the regular petrol component is only 15%, I find it hard to see it will make much difference if it is 91 95 or 98 unless there is some hugely disproportionate effect going on.

What I am more worried about is the variability of the ethanol content of the e85 sold. If there is seasonal variation of something like 70-85% ethanol I would not have confidence tuning with it and then just filling up normally.
I have been keeping an eye on e85 chemical test kits which would be a simple way to measure ethanol % in each batch of pump e85 you buy. Then you could measure:
a) at the pump before you fill up or
take a sample from your car and modify a timing table correction factor/boost/whatever you saw fit.

There are a few online (from USA) that are pretty cheap and no more complicated than swimming pool test kits.

Also, there is a facebook e85 group that has been watching this for ages.

BlownBMW

that Caltex is 2 streets away, but i'll just go bigger turbo first, before worrying bout fuels

pig060

ive rang most suppliers in qld and there not going to have it for a couple of weeks. which sucks as im getting mine tuned in the next couple of days for powercruise and i want e85

Chocco

Biggest crock of shit Iv read all week bud, congrats

jish

Another question...

Say you're running out of fuel and the only option you have is to fill with another kind of fuel yet your car is tuned for E85...

What could potentially happen or will it just run like crap?