Garrett Turbo's - Now Made In China  

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Post #1 post 22nd February 2010 - 03:52 AM
This is supposedly from a, soon to be, former Garrett/Honeywell employee.

This was on nasioc and it is interesting. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1936851

"I work at Garrett Turbos, now called Honeywell Turbo Technologies which there so proud of. When Cliff Garrett Owned Garrett He used to brown bag his lunch everyday and cared for a quality Product. If he knew what Honeywell has done now he would turn over in his grave. Honeywell bought Garrett In 1998 or 1999. After this they opened up a turbo testing lab in shanghai China and quickly moved there turbo overhaul to Mexicali Mexico, quickly after Garrett overhaul went belly-up. So they moved there whole production to Mexicali Mexico, as if that first failure was not a sign.

Garrett Turbos made a quality product for a fair price. A turbo is a precision instrument. Garrett turbos was part of Garrett Air Research (on 190th st. In Torrance ca.) Where they have a huge facility designing turbine engines, and so on. Most of the senior technicians in our main turbo facility (Lomita Blvd Torrance ca) came from our air research. If youre building jet engines a turbo is not all that difficult. Well Cliff Garrett dies. At that time ALL production of Garrett Turbos was at Lomita Torrance ca. Also all engineering and research was there as well. After we were bought and production was sent to Mexico to save costs. Our production numbers doubled. And cost was cut in half our failure rate tripled. Well who cares Honeywell is making money and lots of it. Turbos are considered Honeywells golden egg. They feel that turbos are going to take over big. Which it already has in the diesel market. We make ford diesel turbos, daf, Chevrolet, some Audi, vw, fiat, Perkins. Millions of turbos. And there now all coming from china and Mexico. Well up until lately the company figured if the product was designed in the US and assembled in Mexico we would be ok. Well to further there profit and **** the customer once again....the LAST of what makes turbo American leaves in January 2011. We will close the doors to the Torrance Lab. In Torrance we did all our racing turbos (wrc stuff, Audi racing etc..) then in the garret garage we did the turbos you people buy for your Subarus. Actually I take that back. They take turbos that were made on a production line somewhere else in the world, and change a couple of parts on a bench in Torrance (wheels, housing..etc) and send it to you the customer saying it was made in the us.....no it was not it was just repackaged and altered a little. Well as of Jan 2011 all your turbos will be made in Mexico or china or Czech Republic. This is the last Garrett facility in the United States.

We have huge law suits pending due to turbo failures. GM is probably going to leave us.... ford has already sued us. Caterpillar has one of the largest recalls in garret history in the process. Our name is becoming ****. The last few VERY smart guys left in the company are being fired to save costs, but see our profit is already good.....they just want more. Please dont spend 1500$ on a gt35r. Now that its costing Honeywell less to build turbos do you think you will see a smaller bill when you order there product? NO!. They are going to charge you even more for even less. There are countless procedures that are being terminated everyday that made our turbos THE BEST. They keep cutting corner after corner. Did you know that we shave metal off our turbine and compressor housings until they are at the EXTREME minimum needed to contain in the event of failure they are shaving every nickel off the cost of a turbo. Did you know that 2000$ gt40 you buy is all mark up. I wont dare say the actual cost to the company in fear of a lawsuit but lets just say your sales tax is more then the production cost.

Do not buy these turbos. BorgWarner and mitsu are trying there best to compete with us making a quality product. Honeywell is using its big name to back junky turbos Like Toyota is starting to do. I guarantee in the next 8 months you will see a huge decline in quality. All designing and production is in CHINA AND MEXICO. Honeywell is taking back all there benefits they used to supply us with as employees. That way when they lay us off its as cheap as possible. Instead of saying "Well after we take a hit laying those people off we will make tons" they are just taking back all there benefits so they walk away clean and clear. We used to get a severance package. Which they just took away. One of the head engineers involved in the t3 project. (Designing the first t3) he is still with our company. he was supposed to get 44 weeks of pay if he ever got layed off (30 days and 1 week for every year with the company. 40 years with the company)Due to the new Honeywell rules he gets only 16 weeks pay they stole all that pack after promising it to him for 40 years. My fingers and about to fall off typing all this and I am heated so I dont care about grammar Im concerned about you people not supporting a Nazi company. Take your business elsewhere. Somewhere where you will get what your money pays for. Have a nice day and dont forget if you hear the name HTT Honeywell Turbo Technologies Stay away.

(They still use the garret stamp on the turbos)"

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astorey
Post #2

sad.gif

schnowbie
Post #3

awww ... long read

nferno
Post #4

Thats a shame.

mark1414
Post #5

Just when I was thinking of getting a GT35r

It does seem like a credible article the way its written though..

Mr.B
Post #6

Honeywell have more problems to worry about TBH. But it is not that well written and it sounds like a disgruntled employee who's out to make things difficult. Plus I think it is very difficult to foresee a decline in product quality in such an "accurate" 8 month time period given we don't know his/her position within the company itself.

In 1964, after a merger with Signal Oil, Garrett became part of Signal Companies. In the mid-1980s, Signal merged with Allied Chemical & Dye, and became AlliedSignal, an automotive, aerospace and engineering company. AlliedSignal merged with Honeywell in 1999, where the turbocharger business was known as Garrett Engine Boosting Systems. Renamed Honeywell Turbo Technologies in 2004, the Garrett name has been retained as a product brand name for aftermarket.

http://books.google.com/books?id=V0SnFt8JG...esult#PPA725,M1

http://www.honeywell.com/sites/ts/tt/aboutus_history.htm

532MAN
Post #7

Not so good.

You guys should check out companies like Supernatural Turbo in the USA. I bought my Garrett off them but it was completely stripped, machined, checked, played with and put back together with all new custom parts. I think the housing might still be Garrett but tongue.gif

jish
Post #8

Who do we suggest to use now?

532MAN
Post #9

QUOTE (jish @ Feb 22 2010, 10:38 AM) *
Who do we suggest to use now?


Precision make a good turbo. USA owned and made.

I know this isn't good news, but on eBay you can get cheap Chinese turbos. They work ok, but the point is they are cheap. Are they going to last forever? No. Are they worth the price? Yes, probably.

If you are building to a race application, an off the shelf turbo won't cut it anyway. But if it's a street car with a mild upgrade in mind, then a Chinese turbo is quite possibly a viable and fair option.

duggy
Post #10

trust or turbonetics

QUOTE (jish @ Feb 22 2010, 10:38 AM) *
Who do we suggest to use now?

baconson
Post #11

Just beause things are made in china does not instantly make them crap, china can build quality products when needed, and america loosing alot of its manufacturing have no one to blame except there unions, once unionisation hit america thats when american companys started going bust and overseas, because employers could not afford to pay unionised staff

Tax Hater
Post #12

If this is true, Damn!

8700s14
Post #13

QUOTE (baconson @ Feb 22 2010, 12:34 PM) *
Just beause things are made in china does not instantly make them crap, china can build quality products when needed, and america loosing alot of its manufacturing have no one to blame except there unions, once unionisation hit america thats when american companys started going bust and overseas, because employers could not afford to pay unionised staff


^^^ !

Everyone still seems to associate chinese made products with poor quality. I work in the golf industry where 10 years ago, clubs were manufactured all over the world and the chinese manufactured clubs were the ones to stay clear of, moving to present day, 99.5% of golf clubs are forged/cast in china, even the biggest brand names (Titleist, Callaway, etc). China has come a long way!!

the_random_hero
Post #14

QUOTE (jish @ Feb 22 2010, 10:38 AM) *
Who do we suggest to use now?


Twinscrew superchargers wink.gif

dyno king
Post #15

QUOTE (jish @ Feb 22 2010, 10:38 AM) *
Who do we suggest to use now?

proboost make good turbos have had no probs with them.

trommie
Post #16

kinda like Drizabone, they have made in Australia label but there product is made is china.
such a shame

70XIN
Post #17

QUOTE (duggy @ Feb 22 2010, 10:49 AM) *
trust or turbonetics


Turbonetics are largely chinese/mexican based parts too





532MAN
Post #18

If you boys ever jump on Yellowbullet.com forum, most people run Precision. Some run Garrett. Even less run Turbonetics. Nobody uses Trust!!!

70XIN
Post #19

Because they can't afford it. Trust turbos are old-school (mitsubishi based, plain bearing), but make amazing power and are awesomely reliable. Just too damn expensive.

Since HKS borrow (many) parts from garrett, i guess we can expect a decline in their turbo quality too.

GHOSTY
Post #20

monstapowah! tongue.gif

EUniqe
Post #21

i agree with the twin screw bit

TwinCam16
Post #22

Ebay represent!

baconson
Post #23

and the email sounds fake anyway, he can never state dates, only approx years

MoneyPower
Post #24

^pfft.

So you're telling me you know every date from every year the company you work for did something major?

When did they open their first business?
What was their first stock item?
Who was their first supplier?
What year did they venture into QLD or NSW?
Who's the General Manager?

You can work for a company for 5yrs and not know those answers.

Granthem
Post #25

Meh. Already got my HKS turbo. So unless it shits itself, im cool tongue.gif

baconson
Post #26

they moved to mexico and he cant even remember the year? thats pretty major


I think its just you and your anti-china agenda, did you used to work for bonds?

alpharx7
Post #27

i read Mexicali Mexico and thought they must be based somewhere across the border down bankstown way. like fully hektic uleh.

edit: OT sounds like a disgruntled employee.

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