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Post #1
 6th March 2012 - 02:41 PM
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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydn...i-1226288789026 DRIVERS caught speeding at more than 45km/h over the limit or who engage in illegal racing or a police pursuit will have their number plates immediately seized for three months under new laws to be introduced by the state government. And a second offence - if it occurs within five years - will result in people having their cars confiscated permanently. Cars would also be seized if an offender continued to drive after their number plates were confiscated. In 2011, there were 1781 police pursuits and in the same year police commenced 3079 legal actions for high-range speeding offences. Police will have powers to seize cars immediately if they are more than 45km/h over the limit, or if they are engaged in "illegal racing, drag racing, hooning" or a police pursuit. Under the laws, a police officer will be able to seize the number plates or vehicle immediately or give the offending driver a number plate production notice or motor vehicle production notice which causes them to produce the number plates or vehicle to police no later than a certain date or face a $3300 fine . ALMOST every death is a tragedy but what makes deaths on the road even more so is that so many of them are avoidable. "This government made a commitment to crack down on car hoons and those reckless individuals engaging in police pursuits before the election. Now we're acting," Police Minister Mike Gallacher said. "The message to these would-be criminals is simple - if you want to keep your car, slow down and obey the law. If an individual flees from police in their car, they are going to lose it for three months. And if they are stupid enough to do it again, it will be confiscated forever. "We need to send a strong message to people that if the police ask you to pull over, you obey their direction." --------------------  QUOTE (clutch-monkey @ Apr 7 2011, 06:15 PM)  Sharpys car is probably the best sounding SR I've ever heard in my life. |
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hamiltonau
Post #6
lol at the irony of me getting done by this law.. |
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bloodzkull
Post #9
QUOTE (Sharpy @ Mar 6 2012, 02:41 PM) Police will have powers to seize cars immediately if they are more than 45km/h over the limit, or if they are engaged in "illegal racing, drag racing, hooning" or a police pursuit. Under the laws, a police officer will be able to seize the number plates or vehicle immediately or give the offending driver a number plate production notice or motor vehicle production notice which causes them to produce the number plates or vehicle to police no later than a certain date or face a $3300 fine . ALMOST every death is a tragedy but what makes deaths on the road even more so is that so many of them are avoidable. "This government made a commitment to crack down on car hoons and those reckless individuals engaging in police pursuits before the election. Now we're acting," Police Minister Mike Gallacher said. mmm and MOST deaths on the road have nothing to do with speed (i'm pretty sure anyway) i understand going 45 over, but shit the loss of license will be longer the 3 months anyway i'm imagining (is in qld at least) and the fine is pretty large. what worries me is the "illegal racing, drag racing, hooning" line, as we all know sometimes people interpretation of this can be quite loose... QUOTE (bustage @ Mar 6 2012, 02:54 PM) I wish I kept driving when I was done for 42kph over  i got done for 49km/h over once, had the shit with a truck doing 50 in and 80 zone and went around him when i had the chance, perhaps little to ambitious with the throttle. honestly if i had just switched to reserve tank (yes i was on a bike) i probably wouldn't have stopped. certainly wish i didn't. cop was a real c*nt about it straight away, got even worse when i said he should give me a little leniency because at least i stopped  QUOTE (Sharpy @ Mar 6 2012, 03:09 PM) I think this is going to initiate quite a few more runs, as people aren't going to want to stop and have their car taken forever. this, i would certainly think twice about stopping. |
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wolfman101
Post #10
QUOTE (bloodzkull @ Mar 6 2012, 06:01 PM) mmm and MOST deaths on the road have nothing to do with speed (i'm pretty sure anyway) i understand going 45 over, but shit the loss of license will be longer the 3 months anyway i'm imagining (is in qld at least) and the fine is pretty large. what worries me is the "illegal racing, drag racing, hooning" line, as we all know sometimes people interpretation of this can be quite loose... i got done for 49km/h over once, had the shit with a truck doing 50 in and 80 zone and went around him when i had the chance, perhaps little to ambitious with the throttle. honestly if i had just switched to reserve tank (yes i was on a bike) i probably wouldn't have stopped. certainly wish i didn't. cop was a real c*nt about it straight away, got even worse when i said he should give me a little leniency because at least i stopped this, i would certainly think twice about stopping. I am usually a supporter of this attitude, but 45 kms over is something else entirely. |
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bloodzkull
Post #11
QUOTE (wolfman101 @ Mar 6 2012, 06:03 PM) I am usually a supporter of this attitude, but 45 kms over is something else entirely. very easy on country roads to have it go from 100km/h (so you are probably doing 110-120) and have it go straight to 60. read my post, i can understand the 45 over part (seriously how draconian do they want to be though) what really worries me is the "hooning and racing" part. |
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stevocharged
Post #12
Does this mean a mother/father/old mate doing 45km/h or doing some hooning will get done under these laws? |
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abostolemybike
Post #14
Mmmm knowing this mose as well run from the cops theres no real point to stop they will take your car/bike anyway, i can only see the number of chases increasing good on ya NSW!!! |
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Stompy
Post #15
I would be tempted to run if doing that speed with the current money/license loss penalties. im most certain if i were in the situation of getting caught a first and definently second time i would try and do a runner. This is coming from someone who has happily pulled over and waited while the cop going the other way had to chuck a u turn and catch up to me to issue a ticket. |
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OUTLANDER
Post #16
the HOON term is too vague, hell we go for cruises and they see us as hoons. admittedly i wouldnt expect a cop to enforce this unless you where doing something very stupid or where an absolute D!CK about it which then thats your own fault. |
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crpstra
Post #17
I got done for 45 over about 8 years ago, Yes i stopped coped the fine and the 6 month suspension ( before hoon laws ) The suspension was only because of demerit points, I had 2 and lost 8 that day. |
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4teecal
Post #18
People need to raad a little more than the headline. It is the case that number plates will be taken first and then second offences incur a confiscation. In the end. EVERYONE gets somewhere from 3 to 6 months off the road for over 30 and over 45 speeds in NSW. Someone willing to run for this is kidding themselves for the following reason: |
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tatty
Post #20
Well, as far I was aware in WA, police cannot pursue if it's over a certain limit. But then they note down your plates, coming knocking on your door and give you a hard time anyway. |
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wat'r
Post #21
It is all just political, point winning, do-gooder oriented PR. |
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q2cme
Post #22
while i agree that stricter laws in this country are needed |
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bloodzkull
Post #23
QUOTE (wat'r @ Mar 7 2012, 02:36 PM) It is all just political, point winning, do-gooder oriented PR. The whole problem could be solved if they had 2 laws. 1. Exceed the limit by 10km/hr... you loose your car straight up. 2. Blow over .05 ... you loose your car straight up. But this would not work. Too much revenue would be lost, Mums and Dad's will be getting done by the hundreds every day... there would be the biggest up-roar ever. It is all about the appearance of doing something to please the masses. Let's be honest here.... if 10km/hr was the limit for loosing your car.... I would always 100% of the time.... be doing the speed limit and not 2 km / hr over. i agree with point 2. point 1 can go a die in a hole though, with our ridiculously low speed limits already it would just add to our problems |
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truffles
Post #24
QUOTE (tatty @ Mar 7 2012, 01:13 PM) Well, as far I was aware in WA, police cannot pursue if it's over a certain limit. But then they note down your plates, coming knocking on your door and give you a hard time anyway. What about car parks? They have speed limit signs that say 5k/h, and you see people doing 40-50 all the time. Are they considered hoons? Generally, in any juristriction if a chase is deemed too dangerous they will terminate it. It's not worth injuring anyone over chasing some dipshit. They'll just find them later and rape them. |
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Tim
Post #25
Fair call with the new law to deal with actual hoons, but i call bullshit on the part that says it will help with 'criminals' and people who run from the cops... I'd say if someone's dumb enough to run from the cops then they already don't give a flying fuck about what happens to the car they're in. |
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vy57ss
Post #26
QUOTE (abostolemybike @ Mar 6 2012, 07:55 PM) Mmmm knowing this mose as well run from the cops theres no real point to stop they will take your car/bike anyway, i can only see the number of chases increasing good on ya NSW!!! Only have to get close enough to get your number plate though and it will be alot worse than having no car for 3 months |
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matmarhar
Post #27
QUOTE (vy57ss @ Mar 7 2012, 05:50 PM) Only have to get close enough to get your number plate though and it will be alot worse than having no car for 3 months having the number plate wont do shit to a stolen car this law certainly wont stop criminals running ,and all its going to do is make "hoons" consider running more seriously. I mean its just common sense if I was to get seen street racing or speeding at a high speed I wouldn't think twice right now about pulling over .But if they saw me with these laws in place I would (hypothetically speaking) certainly consider running and if it was for second offence I(hypothetically speaking) sure as shit not be giving up my car easily edit .and not to mention it will make more people drive around with fake plates |
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vy57ss
Post #28
QUOTE (matmarhar @ Mar 7 2012, 04:57 PM) having the number plate wont do shit to a stolen car this law certainly wont stop criminals running ,and all its going to do is make "hoons" consider running more seriously. I mean its just common sense if I was to get seen street racing or speeding at a high speed I wouldn't think twice right now about pulling over .But if they saw me with these laws in place I would (hypothetically speaking) certainly consider running and if it was for second offence I(hypothetically speaking) sure as shit not be giving up my car easily edit .and not to mention it will make more people drive around with fake plates Yer all I'm saying is simply trying to outrun won't work all the time, and if you get it wrong in your own car and they come looking for you after the incident it'll be a lot worse than copping 3 months with no plates |
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ASH12A
Post #29
The term HOON/HOONING is thrown around so loosley now it has no real meaning anymore. Its just been put out now as anybody with a modified car is a hoon full stop unfortunatly. |
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Slysilvia
Post #30
I say, The government and police of NSW are failing and in breach of there failing new laws have been brought out. I don't care, I don't live in NSW. 45KPH over the limit is pretty bad and i agree anyone doing that deserves to be punished, but at the same day you could also argue the RWC conditions of cars who drive at the speed limit with at any moment something could go wrong. I think the recent hooning all over the news, is a reason for this to. |
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wolfman101
Post #31
QUOTE (Slysilvia @ Mar 7 2012, 08:35 PM) I say, The government and police of NSW are failing and in breach of there failing new laws have been brought out. I don't care, I don't live in NSW. 45KPH over the limit is pretty bad and i agree anyone doing that deserves to be punished, but at the same day you could also argue the RWC conditions of cars who drive at the speed limit with at any moment something could go wrong. I think the recent hooning all over the news, is a reason for this to. Maybe they should open more tracks, bigger drag strips etc for people who want to go fast where they can legally do it, Not discriminate against the whole " Modifying car scene " there are alot of people out there who do the right thing and pay the price for the stupid people on the road. I also believe that when we " car enthusiasts " modify are cars, the modifications don are arguably better than what they are standard, increasing there safety on the roads. It's a cause that will never be won, we all pay the price of others wrong doing and get on with it. 
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clutch-monkey
Post #33
'hoon' in WA you lose your car too.. |
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4teecal
Post #34
QUOTE (BAM! @ Mar 7 2012, 02:04 PM) I'd love to see someone take the NSW gov to court for confiscating a person's personal vehicle from them. I'd liken that to theft tbh. Hope this legislation is fucking waterproof. Vehicle confiscations have been in place in NSW for over 10 years and yes they do get returned. Every person has the right to apply to get their car back. In the early days nearly everyone got them back, but guidelines were tightened and the ability to return a car was taken from the police and now only rests with the courts. Very few get them back now. So fast as "theft", it has to be illegal, and thats impossible as it is sanctioned by well tested legislation. |
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essartwenty
Post #35
Fuck it, who cares. Don't be tool in your car and you'll be sweet. If you do want to be a tool in your car then go hit your local track up for a day, where being a tool is encouraged. I hate being labelled a hoon for simply owning a car but what I hate more is REAL hoons. These laws exist for a reason, there are alot more retarded people out there than you may acknowledge and they're doing stupid shit, putting other people's lives at risk just so they can say they hucked a fucken fully mad sk1d brah. The repeat offenders deserve to have their cars and their licenses taken from them however, outright laws that apply to everyone can be a bit neglectful of circumstance. If you're speeding and you get pulled over, chances are you're going to have to go to court, so why not let it be a matter of the judge's discretion for each incident instead of standardisation ranging from 18 year old Robbo who was caught doing 600 kmh past an RBT, pulling the handbrake and launching his 15th VB tallie at the cop standing on the side of the road to 85 year old Agnus that took off from a set of lights too fast in the wet and spun her wheels a little bit. |
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