Sr20det In A Pulsar N14  

come on someone must know something about this

19th March 2010 - 06:15 PM  Reply  Quote

If you have the 1.6L(assuming you do since its GLi), then it is a VERY expensive swap so budget around $6000 to $7000 for it to be done(most of that is just parts!)
It is much cheaper starting with a Ti or SSS N14, as they have the 2L gearbox already along with disc brake rear.

I strongly suggest buying a SSS or Ti Pulsar that has already been converted as they sell for under $5K for good examples

19th March 2010 - 07:50 PM  Reply  Quote

Firstly, the engine: GTiR, W10 or U13 SR20DET motors fit

Fuel pump, radiator, gearbox, engine mounts, SR20DE wiring loom(GTiR/W10/U13 one can be made to fit with wiring loom mods) then budget for a SR20DE flywheel with good clutch, new SR20DE driveshafts complete with inner and outer CV joints, rear brake upgrade. If you have a GTiR engine, you can use the stock top mount intercooler or upgrade to a FMIC. The other two engines require a FMIC.
You will also need a U13/W10 ECU(same program) to run either engine or a GTiR ECU to run a GTiR motor.

20th March 2010 - 05:52 AM  Reply  Quote

its probably easier to just save up and buy a really nicely modded gtir

it will go 10x faster than yours, handle better, stop better and have better resale

i know its your first car but at the end of the day its only some metal, plastic and rubber and $7k is a lot to blow on anything, let alone a motor swap that will add at max $2k to the value of the car

20th March 2010 - 06:12 AM  Reply  Quote

okay ill start collecting all those parts now but it will take me a fair while. once i have them all who should i go to to get it done? or with the right instruction could i do it myself? my dad used to be a mechanic so he would know how to mount the engine and most all of it just would need help with the ecu and some of the finer details. and also to the other guy i honestly dont care about the resale value cos i dont intent to sell it.

20th March 2010 - 03:19 PM  Reply  Quote

http://www.advancedjapautoimports.com.au/h...ont%20cuts.html

check these out i was looking around and these guys have half cuts of Gti-R's which i reckon would be perfect yeah?

20th March 2010 - 03:49 PM  Reply  Quote

you wont be able to use the gtir gearbox because its a 4wd box, but i dont think your ga16de box will be up to the task

the gtir motors come with a better turbo if i remember correctly

if you wanted to go all out and make something special you could look into using an sr16vet head and make an sr20Vet which pretty much = win

20th March 2010 - 06:27 PM  Reply  Quote

well i just read up on them and they are apparently freakin hard to get ur hands on. hell if u can get me in touch with one id love to have a go. just remember though that as i am only a red p plater i cant have turbo for another 2 years. legally anyways

20th March 2010 - 10:11 PM  Reply  Quote

with a vet setup i dont think you would see change from $10k

why not get a gtir in 2 years time? sr20det + awd = 0-100 in 5 secs = win

20th March 2010 - 10:15 PM  Reply  Quote

Seriously, dont buy the parts over time. Its easier to put the money in the bank and buy it all at once. The engine prices are constantly lowering as they become cheaper in Japan etc.

A VET engine will set you back in excess of $15K to do properly. Its a lot of effort for only a small power gain.

I would say the W10 engine is a MUCH better engine, it still uses a T25 turbo BUT its a 1996 onwards build engine so it will generally have less Km's, be in better condition and has plenty of power already The W10 engine is rated to 169Kw on 7psi and the GTiR motor is rated to 172Kw on 10.5psi, wind the boost up on the W10 to 12psi and you will have a seriously quick Pulsar

Here is a W10 engine I fitted to a mates N14 SSS:

yeah i think ill just buy a half cut when im ready they arent that costly and u get everything with. i know this will probably sound stupid to both of you guys but can u possibly put the 4x4 kit on a pulsar? just an idea. also imhappy would you be interested in maybe doing mine in the future? id pay you of course

21st March 2010 - 02:32 AM  Reply  Quote

its theoretically possible but i think it would involve a lot of work, and to get it passed as road legal i dont know if its possible

21st March 2010 - 02:54 AM  Reply  Quote

yeah true that. imagine what it could do though. no-one would be expecting it mwahaha

21st March 2010 - 02:56 AM  Reply  Quote

The AWD setup has been done, it costs around $15000 to do JUST the AWD swap since you need an entire GTiR floor pan stitched into the N14 shell. There is no 'real' advantage in it either.

The one part you do want to start looking for right now is a 5 speed manual SR20DE N14 or N15 gearbox. They are rare as hens teeth since all the big boost turbo guys tend to break them and its around $7K for an aftermarket gearbox Its made the 5 speed manuals rare and worth around $600 to $800 alone! Thats one of the major reasons I would suggest starting with a SSS or Ti.

I know a workshop that is definitely capable of doing the swap for a good price when your ready

21st March 2010 - 03:16 AM  Reply  Quote

yeah i wont bother with the 4x4 then. ill just get a halfcut of a gti-r i think. that would encompass everything from gearbox to wiring and everything id need right?

21st March 2010 - 12:34 PM  Reply  Quote

shit thats right i cant have the 4x4 gearbox in it. okay ill look for another one

21st March 2010 - 12:44 PM  Reply  Quote

GTiR engine also requires the N14/N15 SR20DE flywheel and the flywheel needs to be machines to accept the M11 style GTiR flywheel bolts rather than normal M10 flywheel bolts in the other motors.

22nd March 2010 - 01:33 AM  Reply  Quote

that sounds a bit tricky aye

22nd March 2010 - 01:35 AM  Reply  Quote

Your other alternative is fitting an SR20VE engine from a Nissan P11 Primera, it makes 200Hp stock

22nd March 2010 - 04:33 AM  Reply  Quote

Are they just as easy as a sr20det or a W10 cos im looking for simplicity with maximum gain and least cost. i am only 17 haha. but im really liking the ideas ur giving me. so where are you from? cos im from northern NSW too and just in town today i saw a black SSS pulsar haha

22nd March 2010 - 09:34 PM  Reply  Quote

so u reckon that would be the way to go then? it sounds bloody good hey. ahh coffs im from kyogle dont know if u know of it its like an hour and a half from coffs. Alright so you reckon SR20VE 6 speed gearbox need custom flywheel and id obviously need a bigger exhaust system its running about a one and a half inch id probs need to go 2.5 or 3 depending if i was running turbo or not id need loom wiring kit and i suppose a jap spec speedo seeing as mine only goes up to 220. also are these motors speed limited? cos mine is and id get to about 190-200 and it would die on me which was shattering.

23rd March 2010 - 01:51 AM  Reply  Quote

Yep, I know where Kyogle is

You would need a few modifications to the stock wiring loom but nothing too hard. Engine mounts would be needed as well, along with an SR20 radiator.
^^ The above car had a stock exhaust on it The noise is the intake which is a stock airbox, I hate pod filters since the stock airbox is good engough for 172Kw from a GTiR

The Jap spec speedo only goes to 220 as well. The ECU is speed limited to 180km/h, the speedo needle normally 'falls' under its own weight and puts out the speedo The stock computer can be chipped to remove the speed cut and increase the rev limiter as well

This is my N14's old VE engine before I went VQ35:

haha nice nice. a copper pulled me up the other day and didnt even look at my car he just wanted to see if i was drunk haha. but yeah i wouldnt like to get defected on anything hey. i might need a pod filter though cos im pretty sure there is a bit of the airbox missing that gets the colder air from down near the road and its missing a bit of pipe from there to the air box. id like a bigger exhaust anyways. id definately want the ecu so i could go above 180. and as for the speedo i guess id just get an electric one. also the engine mounts? what does that involve? and what is a good price for a blacktop sr30det engine?

24th March 2010 - 02:12 AM  Reply  Quote

shit i meant sr20det and i dunno about the piping thing maybe hot air rises? and is that not what a cold air induction kit does?

24th March 2010 - 02:45 PM  Reply  Quote

My Pulsar is using a stock airbox Just has a 3" pipe into the area in front of the passenger wheel as this air is cooler than the engine bay

There is no 'blacktop' sr20det engine for the FWD Pulsars. The engine in the picture above is the SR20VE engine and they sell for aorund $1200, add a gearbox, engine mounts, flywheel, clutch, ECU, air flow meter and your looking at around $5500 fitted and tuned with around 118kw@wheels compared to an SR20DE which makes around 85Kw@wheels tuned Of course, for around $7500 you could have around 180Kw@wheels with a W10 conversion, with FMIC, 3" exhaust etc.

I think your best bet for tracking down most of the parts you would need is buying a wreck of a N14 Ti or SSS and swapping over all the good bits

24th March 2010 - 11:06 PM  Reply  Quote

yeah not bad im buying a s16 bluebird off some guy for under 5 grand forged pistons and rims and shit. will be fairly mad hey

28th March 2010 - 01:39 AM  Reply  Quote

No such thing as an S16 Bluebird.

If it is a U13 Bluebird with the AWD SR20DET, you still need a FWD gearbox etc

28th March 2010 - 10:40 PM  Reply  Quote

bluebird deal fell through would still love help getting my hands on a Ti or SSS wreck. also what is the sr20ve out of? is that the primera? and what would happen if i got the sr20 gearbox and fitted it to my car now? im guessing less power more range in gears. just a thought.

10th May 2010 - 03:36 AM  Reply  Quote

A P11 Primera and the Nissan Wingroad(much rarer) There is a P12 Primera engine but you wont find one cheap these days. SR20VE is worth around AUS$1200

The SR20DE 5 speed wont bolt up to your existing engine, they have a different bolt pattern.

10th May 2010 - 04:01 AM  Reply  Quote

So would a sr20 gearbox off a u13 or gtir be a good upgrade on the existing SSS gearbox?

10th May 2010 - 02:00 PM  Reply  Quote

The U13 gearbox(the 50 series box) will bolt up to the block but you need different driveshafts and inner CV joints. The GTiR gearbox is definitely only a AWD gearbox, it cannot run as FWD at all.

The U13 box is a little stronger but not by much, maybe 20% more strength and thats mainly because the casing around the gearset allows less flex in the shafts. The gearset themself is just as weak as the normal SR20DE box but the 32 series box has a lot of flex in the box, which causes the gearset to spread under load and that results in the common 3rd gear explosion. The case flex also causes the problem with 5th gear pop out

The best gearset is definitely the 6 speed manual from the P12 Primera, although its not an easy swap.
The N15 Pulsar VZ-R gearbox would be my 2nd choice as the 'ribs' on the box allow it to be much stronger

11th May 2010 - 01:32 AM  Reply  Quote