ok, ive always wonderd what sort of shake i should be taking after a workout. protein or carb
ive been told differnt things but i was wondering if someone could make it clear to me. thanks

Protein

so just all protein, no half half with carbs or anything like that?

Depends, carbs will be more for someone trying to gain mass (i.e skinny guys) whereas a more protein based diet will be for building muscle while maintaining lower levels of fat etc. Some stats on you would help best to determine what would work good for you.

well yer id class myself as a skinny guy
about 180cm
66kg
been going to the gym the past 3 months 4-5 days a week doing weights so yer

should have carbs after a workout, more specifically dextrose. have a banana or milk

yeah a protein shake and a glass of milk straight after weights, thats what i do

Studies have shown that a combination of protein and carbs is best for recovery/growth.

probs about 70% protein 30% carbs would be good for you mate

Try and get that shake into you the moment you finish your workout, you have like a window of 30-60mins after your workout where your body will be the most ready to take in all the nutrients and that you give it.

This is spot on. If you are a hard gainer, even try consuming food during your workout. As silly as it sounds, it works a treat for those struggling to gain size. Nothing heavy, even things like a Snickers chocolate bar, just a small bite inbetween sets. Or if you find that too hard, have liquid form, even a bottle of Gatorade sipped during a workout. Another good combo is honey and almonds. I have personally tried all of these and have had success with them.

Straight after a workout, simple carbs are more beneficial to you than protein. You need to get glycogen back into your system to help create an anabolic environment. Again, Gatorade, fruit juice, dextrose, maltodextrin, any of these are pretty good. Plus don't forget, protein takes a while for the body to break down, so free form amino acids straight after are ideal, but can get pricey. WPI proteins are the fastest absorbing, so if you are going to use shakes straight after or towards the end of your workout, they are the best. Horleys Ice is still probably one of the best ones of this type on the market, but it's not cheap. Although if you use it only on workout days, a tub will last a while.

im currently using the horleys ice whey protein along with gen-tec carbs. ive started to take carbs after my workout then go to the shops to get half a chicken and bread some yogurt and fruit and have that for lunch, as i go to the gym in my lunch break when im at work. would this work well?

Yes but if you are using the Gen-Tec carbs after your workout, don't go overboard with more carbs when you have your chicken.

so ud sugest to just have the carb shake, then just skip out the bread that im having?
do you think this is a good idea, and will there be much weight/muscle gain if i was to do that

Hey B-unit, would you still throw in some dextrose to your post workout shake even if you were trying to get leaner?

Also i have some acetyl-l-carnitine left over, I remember reading somewhere that it helps make you leaner as well, any truth to this?

Have the carb shake, and some carbs with your chicken, but cut down on the amount that you have with your chicken. If you are going to use bread or fruit as a carb source with the chicken, try adding some extra fibre in, such as some raw green beans or some metamucil, along with some almonds. The added fibre with help lower the glycemic index of the carbs as well as help fuel your metabolism. Raw green beans are a great snack inbetween meals also.


I certainly would. The quicker you can elevate glycogen levels in your blood stream, the quicker your liver will activate hormones to turn you from being catabolic (breaking down muscle tissue) from training, back into an anabolic state (repairing muscle tissue). A good hard workout can increase your metabolic rate from anything up to 24-36 hours. The thing alot of people do wrong is partially starve themselves during this period, which works against them. If you are training at late afternoon/evening time, try having your carb drink after the workout, then with your dinner only have fibrous vegies, brocolli and cauliflower with your chicken/fish/meat.

Acetyl L-Carnitine is great, it is what is referred to as a 'transporter' fat metaboliser, as it helps take the fat out of the fat cells, and utilises them to be used as an energy source. Best taken 20-30 mins before your workout or cardio session. Or if you are doing weights then cardio afterwards, take some before, then 20 mins before you finish your weight session, take some more. Acteyl L-Carnitine is also very beneficial just in general health. I believe it was Damo who posted up sometime ago about the studies that have shown it's ability to help decrease the chances of some mental diseases such as altzimers (sp). Apparently it can also help with some forms of depression.

Awesome thanks mate will give it a go. My post workout meal is usually a 200-300g steak with steamed broccoli and some olive oil mixed through, hardly any carbs. I hate losing fat, you have to eat lots of boring food and cant slip up with anything remotely delicious! haha

Haha I hear you. It's so much easier to maintain being lean than it is to get there. I"m struggling to keep focused at the moment. Are you using any fat burners? Forget the expensive brand ones, here is B-Units cheap recipe:

Nurofen Cold & Flu (ibuprofen and pseudoephidrin)
No Doze (caffeine)
Aspirin

Twice a day, morning and afternoon pre-workout, 2 days on, 1 day off, for 4 weeks. They are essentially the active ingredients in most thermogenic fat burners, but alot cheaper. If you want to spend a little on supps to go with it, use your Acetyl L-Carnitine and some Musashi Red also.

And yes I will be starting this myself again soon lol. When you speak to Charl next, tell him I'm Brad from BJ's, I've known him for about 5-6 years now.

Thanks Brad, I'll try taking an aspirin tomorrow and see how my body reacts. Over the course of the last 6 months I have had allergic reactions from small rashes to visits to the hospital for my throat swelling for no reason, I thought it was from taking aspirin however breaking up with my gf 2-3 months ago has caused all symptoms to go away so I dare say I was allergic to her abrasive personality haha.

I haven't spoken to Charl in a loong time, I'm good friends with his sister, although I think I'm going to pop in his shop one day soon to have a chat. Oh and he was pushing his merc not the nissan which fucked his Achilles. haha

Ahmed

Oh true, sorry to hear about the break up, but was it stressful up to the point when you broke up? Stress does some funny unexplainable things to the body.

Very Interesting!!!! how many tablets each should you take? How does this work? Isn't it going to have alot of negative effects on the heart and liver?

I'm not sorry about it at all, she was a @#$! of a thing! haha

I started dating her and about 3-4 months in i started getting these rashes and reactions - right after the honeymoon period of any relationship, i thought it was all the make up, spray tans and all that rubbish at first, but it was the stress of dating such a spoiled brat. I was taking antihistamines EVERY day for the last 5 months of dating her. Ever since I broke up with her my reactions slowed down so I halved my dosage of the antihistamines, then I was taking them every second day in half dosages, and for the last month or just under I haven't taken a single dosage because I haven't had a reaction, oddly enough I can't remember being this happy for no particular reason in a long time. I put it down to training my ass off and surprising myself with how strong I have gotten and the endorphins my brain is spewing out from all that exercise.

Nurofen C & F, 2 at a time, maybe only 1 No Doze and 1 aspirin. But seriously they are the main ingredients in most thermogenic fat burners on the market, so not really all that different from using them. Using them 2 days on, 1 day off, for 4 weeks will be fine. You want to know something funny? All this excess protein we all eat has a far worse effect on the body over a long period of time. We all think because we are stuffing ourselves with good quality chicken/tuna/meat etc that we are only do good to our bodies. The bi-products of breaking down all that protein can be very toxic, ammonia etc. Plus it screws with your pH levels.


Life is easier without a monkey on your back.

She was more like a gorilla haha

I stole this of a martial arts forum on the ECA stack.

Some points to remember: Should never stay on the ECA stack for too long. When I do use it, I'll do it for 2 weeks then take 2 weeks off. There are some differing views on the amounts you should take, but a good generalized amount to take 2 or 3 times a day is 25 mg Ephedrine, 200 mg Caffeine and 325 mg Aspirin. The first time you use it you'll likely feel a little jittery and you'll feel your heartbeat rise. It's important to start slow...maybe for the first time only use it once a day until you're used to it. Work up slowly from there and usually 3 times per day is the maximum I'll use it. It's important not to take your last dose too late in the day as you might have a hard time falling to sleep. I take it 30 minutes before meals at 0700, 1100 and 1500 (3 pm).

Im going out to buy some nurofen cold and flu tabs, would love to get rid of this spare tyre asap!

hmmm thats interesting, So the nurofen has to be pseudoeffidren based? Because to get pseudo based stuff these days is a major mission, very interesting to know though, i might give it a try out!

You just have to produce your licence. And make sure you aren't buying it from one chemist, then buying again too soon because you go onto a national database and it flags the Police if you buy too frequently. Best to buy a stockpile of 2-3 packs over several weeks.

I was reading that the pseudoeffidren is not like effidrin and doesn't raise the core temp as well as ephidrin does. Some say it will still work, others say it doesn't work as well. I guess there is only one way to find out and give it a go.

I used to get results from it. But maybe due to the fact I have a chronic sinus problem, and it just makes me healthier

Sorry for the n00b question, but where is the best place to buy shakes?

http://www.boostcruising.com/forums/index....howtopic=419413

Anything listed is worth going to, but be sure to check pricing all stores are different.

Got another one guys

What do you guys drink your shakes with?

Personally I only buy extra creamy milk Pura Gold generally I have found it relax's my guts in the morning with my IBS and i drink yakult every 2nd morning.

Is there any downside to drinking with full cream apposed to skim or water?

i have mine with water, as i find with milk it's too thick. with full cream you get more carbs, fat and protein, what protein powder are you on?

Depends on your goals. I use full cream milk for gaining. People cutting or losing weight usually use no fat milk, some even use water to cut back on the KJ's ( if you can stand the taste).

You will notice, skim and no fat milk have a couple of grams of extra protein per serve when compared to full cream, but there is no real downsides having one or the other.

i always use water. I always thought that one of the main points in a protein shake is that it gets pretty much absorbed straight into your body because it's the broken down element. When you go adding other products such as milk wouldn't that just make it longer for your body to absorb it?

you will notice milk contains a fair bit of sugar - lactose which will cause you to put on fat.

I drink my shakes with water, i have gotten used to the arse taste... If i want a bit of a cheat meal or something I have one scoop of choc on whey with a tad over 1 cup milk = heaven!

Oh and B-Unit the ECA stack is a no go, went and saw an allergist and he has advised me to stay clear of aspirin and neurofen haha just my luck!

Last night i had the shake with 1 scoop and then some milo on extra creamy milk LOL wasnt very hungry after that.

I think ill be changing to water now.

I LOVE the taste of my new Reflex Option One Choc mint flavoured with really cold water....seriously tastes better than a normal cafe style milkshake too me!!

i have a hydroxy ripped formula with a tea spoon of glutamine for good measure

ON 100% whey rich chocolate in water is the bomb

This is correct.


Oh true, do you get asthma?

Nope. I'm all healthy according to him, except that I should avoid aspirin as in some people it causes a reaction at random times, I'm now one of those people. Neurofen must have a bit of aspirin in it or something so he has advised against that too.

Odd thing is that the paw paw allergy i had as a child has gone, but i got a new one in the form of aspirin... easy come easy go haha

To be honest you are all wasting your money on this supplement crap. You will make better gains from having a good diet then taking supplements. Adjust your diet to reflect your physical activities. The 5 food groups. That is all you need to know. Additional to your diet make sure you are doing the exercises properly. I don't usually go to public gyms but the few times I have been all I see is people swinging around weights incorrectly and trying to lift weights that are too heavy. This develops short muscles as people have to cheat to make the lift, using other muscles to pull the weight. Choose the correct weight, concentrate on the muscle you are exercising, increase weight between sets accordingly for 3 sets with reps of 10, 8 and 6 (or 4); if the weight is correct then the last 2 reps should be hard and you will feel the burn in the targeted muscle.

I'm drawing this information from my personal experience training for the past 7 years.

Syntha 6 cookies and cream is not too bad..Mix with cold water yum.

You are right and wrong. There are a lot of people that need the mental helping hand of taking a supplement, even if those things could mostly be gained by an appropriate diet.

Personally there's only so much fuckin canned tuna I can eat, so a protein shake is a good option for something different. Similarly I can have either a jumbo bag of skittles when I'm sitting around bored... or a protein shake. When you're sitting around you probably shouldn't have anything at all.. but better something laced with protein than something highly acidic and around 2000% sugar.

I am all for a healthy diet as being the best way to do it, but some people don't have the commitment/time/whatever and a shake suits.

I often get straight up in the morning and head to the gym, and have a protein shake when I get there just before I start my warmup. Works as brekky and beats working out on an empty stomach.

I would definitely go with protein. But if you need to pack on some weight, carbs would be more appropriate.

Allergies are funny things, you either grow out of them as you become an adult, or you grow into them as you become an adult.


I understand what you are saying, but there is a place for supplementation in sports. Sadly most people rely on the supplementation, and forget that it's exactly that, a supplement, not a basis for their diet.


Just so you know, protein is in fact acidic, and the break down process creates toxins like ammonia in the body, but yes, still better to be grabbing for a protein shake than MacDonalds.

As I have always stated, there is a time and place for protein shakes to help supplement your protein intake. Asking someone which protein powder is going to give you the best gains is a foolish question. It's the wholesome food sources that you consume that will net the best results.