Am I the only one who thinks that Bathurst is boring having only Holdens and Fords allowed to compete?

I would be the first to sign a petition urging that event to have at least 3 classes.

V8's - Holdens and Fords
GT's - Ferraris, Lambos, Porsche, Jaguar, BMW, Alfa, Aston Martin or whatever
4 x 4 turbos - EVO's, Subarus, Skylines

The event could have their 30 cars entered, but how about 10 cars for each class. Would make the day a whole lot more interesting?

Its the V8 supercar series race though...
and other vehicles do race in the events before it etc etc.

apparently they tryed to enter camry's but were told NO holden and ford only... camrys would have killed them

The Carrera cup already allows most of those cars as it is with the exception of the EVO's and WRX's as far as I know. For instance the Carerra Cup, Australian GT Championship, Performance Car (GT Production), Touring Car Masters, Mini Challenge and even the Formula Vee allow most cars outside of the V8 configuration.

and magnas too a few years ago...big big big mistake that wud have been

yea would have handed them their ass's

it wuld but wont happen

the v8 series is on the lookout for more vehicles in the same class though. mark skaife is acting as an ambassador to try and bring other v8 manufactures in to the class such as toyota and nissan

What a bland generic thread.
Watch the support races if its not your thing.
And dont forget if you dont like it you dont have to watch it.

or how bout that sounds lame and they should go ahead with the v8 toyota aurion idea the whole idea is it is aussie muscle but i think a toyota would be good to mix it up a bit and they already have seperate class of races anyway

allow the GTR again, and M3, and adjust them so theyre matched with the current v8sc.

it would not be a 'v8 supercar' it would just be a car in the same race as the v8 supercar.

i think as mentioned before, its probly not gunna happen anytime soon.

im sure nissan can get a v8 into the field they all have v8s in there cars somewhere they should be thinking bout trying it and c where it all ends up

Sure,it'd be good for the V8 Supercars series to not be a 'two-horse' race but getting manufacturers into this series is not so straight-forward as just inviting them and they all accept.

Yes nferno you are absolutely right I agree 100% I actually don't watch it. I am sure many people get a lot of enjoyment from it, beause it is hugely popular with the masses, afterall they are homegrown cars. However I personally get more satisfaction from watchining Le Mans due to the various classes involved. I also enjoyed Bathurst up until the Skyline driven by Skaife and Richards won, and then the Skyline was banned. Great reward for being a winner?

Very good, that is a start

Problem is, they have never been invited I would suspect

they are essentially the same cars underneath anyway

same drivelines components, the top teams all have the same hp, similar aero packages, same brakes, gearboxes.

So aside from the badge on the front and the bodyshell, its the same car

so its really a one horse race atm

I agree that more cars should be allowed to enter. The BTCC is a fascinating series to watch, as is the GT Championship. The DTM racing (Mercedes Vs Audi) is quite boring at times, because it too is only two manufacturers.

DTM is still open to many manufacturers, but they just don't see the financial benefit from entering.

The V8 need to move to more of a NASCAR setup. In which the motor, gearbox, diff, and brakes are all control items that are released and it is up to the team to find tuning advantages, aero difference, and more pace out of the same items. The only difference would be the exterior appearance and the decals.

This method allows more manufactures into the sport without the need for them to solely development components. The series would then become more about the tuning ability of the manufactures and the skill of the drivers to find time.

that was australian touring car championship. V8 SUPERCARS is what it is, V8's.

itd be great to see toyota, nissan and other manufacturers, but they dont have a v8 powered road going model (sold locally) so its pointless.

only manufacturer that could probably have a stab that would make sense would be chrysler with its 300c, but i doubt that would happen.

They already do it.....

Actually I am talking about Bathurst, not the V8 Super Cars, which is a very clever marketing title to make money for Holdens, Fords and the promoters. I am talking about Bathurst the race track.

Bathurst, is and always has been and always will be Australias long distance endurance race track, regardless of what the race is titled.

The title of the race has changed a number of times over the years, which a lot of younger folk may not know about. And, in the future it could be wagered that the races title will change again a number of times, depending on what is topical, popular or will make money at the time.

I have not got problem with either the title of the race, or the fact that V8 Holdens and Fords are in it, I personally believe it would be much more interesting to have other classes as well, similar to Le Mans. And, I believe, by doing that, improve Australia's racing industry. It would also attract more international cars and drivers like it used to.

It is one of the most demanding race tracks in the world, so why not open it up to the world to enter.?

I love bathurst, but it is a bit dull.

I would like it to go back to the good old days, where almost any car could compete.

Gtr's, camaro's, mini's etc.

Atleast back in those days, they weren't all supplied with the same MOTOR

But I guess it wont work. Just look 15 or so years a go. People just didnt show up when they had all these different cars racing .

Correct, there is too much money being made because it has been marketed extremely well. Think about the Television rights and the advertising just for starters. That revenue and much more, even without the take at the gate It won't change while the wealth is being made. I just felt like getting this off my chest

i suggested bringing the gtr's back into the supercar series on the race chat during the race, i basically recieved death threats.

I think the only way to make the v8s more interesting is to allow more car companies like toyota and nissan to make v8s so there is more competition.

It was so good when they were racing the Nissan Skyline GTR because it flogged everything on the track. Holden and Ford would curse if they brought the GTR back

well they kinda are already like that. as i mentioned alot of the components are the same already




Well to be fair, look at the competition they had, bascially family 4doors with big v8's, no wonder they smashed em.

These days with the v8supercars being much much more like a race car it would be a alot closer im sure, and if the GTR's were too good once again they would just restrict them to parity again.Still id love to see that.

Thats a good idea BUT..... think about it, holden v ford. Although both cars are mechanically the same (mostly) people go NUTS over the rivalry. I just dont think that will happen if we get more cars into the comp, especially ''jap crap'' .

And if anyone saw that force tv show thing with the bathurst special, THAT is pretty much the average spectator of the v8 supercars


V8'S 4 LOIF MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATTTTEEE

They have been approached to enter, it's called the "Car of the Future" which will take effect in 2011-2012.

Problem being is that Toyota showed some intrest a couple of years ago and wanted to enter but didn't happen due to the rules as they have a quad cam V8 which they were not going to be able to run due to the rules. Now they might not enter due to very much the same issue and the fact that they don't have a suitable RWD car sold in Aus.

I agree, it would be good to see simultaneous class racing during a bathurst event. Dont forget the Bathurst 24hr event they have. i'm pretty sure there are a large variety of cars in that race, i may be wrong, i've never really watched it.



In saying that, with the V8 supercar field as it stands is what? 20-30 cars? i dont know, someone correct me on that. But watching the telecast the track is very busy. I dont think during a raceday the track could physically facilitate any more cars on the track. In comparing that to le mans, Cor de la Sarthe is 13.6 km in length and Mount Panorama under half that, 6.12 km,


So maybe turn your eye to the Bathurst 24 hour?


As for more manufacturers in the V8 Supercar series, would be good to see. I dont understand all this talk of magnas and camrys 'blowing' away the commodores and falcons. They're race prepped cars, they'll always be as competetive as the amount of research/money poured into the car then add the driver, no matter what badge the car wears.

It will be changed either 2010 or 2011. Skafie was told to come up with a group of motor sport people and form a board team and basicly brains storm and smash out ideas and solutions.
Some things that have been mentioned are a $200,000 budget limit and makes like mazda,nissan,toyota ect come back to the race

VERY true mate..... actually i work with a mechanic at the workshop who worked around the v8 supercars...toyota actually tried to get in with the lexus V8/...ford and holden turned around and said they couldnt join cause they did not sell that exact model in OZ....WTF not ONE SINGLE PART of the holden and ford cars are sold in oz its a fully workd AMERICAN 350 chev with corvette chassis and suspension..... jst the shell LOOKS like the commo or falcon....ford and holden are just SCARED BRING ON THE LEXUS IS-F

They have numerous types of races at Bathurst throughout the year, the 24 hour race is open all to all manufactures and drivers? the issue is it is not promotored as well as well as V8SC.....why? because there isnt enough money / interest in it? It comes down to money, Carerra Cup Series is no longer in australia which is a shame but now most of those cup cars race in the GT Championship which is a good catergory to watch.

When was the last time ppl tuned into watch the GT Series this year?

Ummmm, they have to run a 5L engine? it's still all the same but do some homework dude

Bathurst 12 hr mate, watch that.

That's really interesting... I remember a few years back the likes of Toyota etc were wanting get in the game but were knocked back by Supercars.
I know, it's good ol' 20/20 .. but a big "DOH" to Supercars!
imho.. yeah the Toyota v8 would of made it pretty embarassing... It may well have been fewer cubes, but lighter, more advanced design...

btw, where did you hear about this? I'd like to keep a watch on the topic.

[quote name='Street to Track' date='Oct 11 2009, 08:11 PM' post='1284768597']
Am I the only one who thinks that Bathurst is boring having only Holdens and Fords allowed to compete?

Yes. As others have noted we already have classes for other types etc.. but I get your point. Boils down to it being a two horse race..and now that Ford aren't going to be active at all from what I hear, it'll be a one horse race before long. When that happens it'll be dead horse flogging time.

I watched some of the BTCC the other day and as I mentioned before, I was glued. I was impressed they cleaned their act up on the driving manner from years back.. but it was fast,tight and there were more brands and the possibility of a different winner each race.
Also, I understand historic racing is the biggest form in the UK and here.. more historic cars racing than any other type of comp'.
Hands up who'd like to see some Phase3's going at it against Toranas etc again on the telly? Man I'll be tickled to see some classic pre '74 sports cars running.
It just seems to me that someone figured that V8 Supercars would be a nice earner..and it is.. so they promoted it and pusehed out anyone else.. if they put that effort into another class- even historic- it'd sell just as well. It's more money shoved in front of us for promotion that makes it stand out.

Hats off to SBS for showing the club stuff over the years.

Yea.. its getting abit old that.. Why cant ppl understand, and get over it.. . it's a V8 based race.. with only the Holdens and the Fords to see who can be the King of the Mt. ... Like they do have the support races, with other car makes on the weekend.

If u hate the Holdens + Fords so much, why not just watch a race where the SKYLINEs and other high powered cars race... Abit like like saying why dont we have Holdens + Fords go in Drifting comps. etc. lol

Every race has their own car makes racing at their track, for that day, and for that event..

Get used to it mate..... that what the market wants so thats what you will get

they dont run a 5 litre DUDE they run a american chev engine maybe u should update UR home fagnuts

lol cos an american chev engine cant be a 5L...both cars run there own pushrod version of the 5L...do as you have been previously told...do some homework...if its was 350ci it would be a 5.7l

look suck me they havea corvette engine the point is ford and holden racing teams r too scared to face up to the FAR superior jap v8 in the lexus

Read here champ

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V8_Supercars


And what the hell are you talking about the V8 in a Lexus for? Any new car manufacturer would have to adhere to the same category restrictions as the Ford and Holden...

ok mate im sorry i am.... the dickhead at work must have been absolutely fullof shit im sorry

Let this be a lesson to NEVER BELIEVE WHAT THE BOGANS SAY lol
No worries dude