gidday all just after a few oppions about engine set up for drifting can any body help??? im about to by a s13 and i want to know pros and cons for rb20det s13 vs sr20det s13 does the weight from the rb realy matter

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http://www.automotiveforums.com/t298059.html
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Ls1

1uz

FJ20

or....or......orrrrr


CA

A rotor or gtfo!!!! jokes

nah mate you want a 1j

Why do "heros" allways fuck up these threads.

Keep the SR20 its much better and save the funds it would cost doing the engine swap and put it into basic mods for the SR like FMIC etc

what about if ur buying alredy done im still leaning towords the rb give me some good argument points also
ease up cnts im new to this sh*t

My hero

The only people i see who put RB20's into S13's are tight ass drifters who can't afford an SR20.

Look past the whole OMG BRUS ITS GOT AN ARRR BEEE YO! and look more at why would you want an RB over the SR.

My quote in sig says it all. /end

Just stick wit the sr and work it up. Not worth the extra weight and hastle for the rb. thats my opinion anywayz. My mate always says 'Theres no replacement for displacement'. When it comes to SR's i disagree.

rb20'sare to laggy

yeah mate go the rb20 hard motor to kill, cheaper then sr20's to replace to an sound better..

lol yes rb's do sound better but if i had a s13 i would stay the sr but i would still buy a s13 with a rb i just wouldnt change it from sr to rb unless it was rb25det

RB for the win..

mmm i agree with the RB being laggy but all depends on setup, turbo etc, theres so many different things u can do, i have an rb20 with a garret t3/t4 and dont hit boost till 4000rpm lol which is kinda annoying seeing as my car is a drifter... ur best bet is just to stick with the SR and do a bunch of basic mods, u will be supprised with what u can get out of it, changing engines just causes more problems unless you really know what ur doing and very expensive unless u do your self, just see how you go with the SR and if u want change it later!

I dont understand your argument. Lag is not a bad thing. Think about it son. At what RPM do u usually drift at??

4000+, its not a big deal.
I dont see many drifters drifting at 2500rpm, with smoke pouring off the wheels

i dunno, i like a bit of torque lower down to make it step out, lazy like that
hence why i'd love an Ls1 S13 lol

i wouldnt go rb20 but i would do a 26 or 25 even a 25/30.

yeah but rb20's lack torqe

Do you drift?

not often. not in my car. not my scene. too many heroes

Yeah i didnt think so. since u seem to be into euros

yeah i would like to drift an E30 with RB/SR transplant if i had the time and money. scene's probably settled down a bit since i last tried too i bet.

Not before me u dont

why not a 2jz??????????

Tight course drifters need linear power delivery at even low RPM

Better drivers; or those that can drive 3rd/4th gear tracks can set drift cars up with slightly laggier setups because they generally carry more corner speed/revs but for a beginner it's best to get a setup with linear power delivery.

When you start drifting you'll be falling off boost mid drift all the time as you'll have a million other things to concentrate on. Not having enough revs/torque to pull yourself out can make the learning curve a lot harder.

hey i have a rb20det s13 wat i use to drift now and also a sr20det 180 for a daily (rb20 /cheap/strong and not to bad with power but yes no power down but thats wats the clutch is for lol, the sr20 is great to but i wouldnt like to push it like my rb coz i no the sr20 whould hold the trashing to long but if u have the money go for it sr20 light and powerful but if its just starting of drifting go a rb20 i have been sliding my rb for over a year now and havent taken the motor out to rebuilt her yet still got 145psi thought all the bores haha allmost time... but thing is i can keep sliding it all day long !

I learnt to drive in an older BMW it would of been awesome to drift in. It was pretty quick for a 1600cc to!

Why would you put a 2JZ in a S13 other than wank factor



Also when your drifting your not allways at 100% throttle

I dont get your point? your saying youd find the RB good since you hgave been drifting it for a year? i am sure alot of SR's have done that too.

also why do you say the RB is better to start of in?

Also if your worryed about costs motor sport isnt for you.

lol people take shit to personal on this site hahaha lol but anyways it all comes down to what you would rather not what eveyone else likes .. maybe test drive some sr s13's and rb20 s13's and then make up what you want

He is right tho, motor sport of any kind is not cheap. Yep you can get out on the track for x amount. But that gets you there in a car that is done by cutting corners or using the cheaper options and it will break eventually. Then you gotta fix it and that's when the costs start rolling in.

Given the chance anyone can have a good crack at drifting, but the difference between setting a car up right or going with the cheapest option can mean the difference between enjoyment or frustration.

I took SR20 because RBs are boat anchors and they belong in overweight cars like skylines.

QUOTED FOR FUCKING TRUTH!

+1

I am still in the process of deciding on a new motor for my S13 sil... CA went pop... but I am starting to lean more towards SR20det...

Also, SR20 has more torque then the RB20...

The only reason people go the RB20 is because they are usually on the OMG HATE ESS ARR twenty bandwagon, usually from secretdrift.

It's a cheap motor, hence why so many people use it. DOES NOT make it a better motor.

It's heavy, its old, it makes fuck all power.

Hell, even sticky who was RB4LYF loved his sr once he went back to it.

and then had about 11th billion things go wrong with it

thank guys for all ur advice i have decided to go with the sr im getting it pretty cheap hopefully ill see some off u out on the track

lolz this is great so many people take shit to heart.lol to the guy who said rbs are old.well mate sr engines are round the same time.lol.i just pulled my sr20de out to make way for rb20det.yes they r heavy yes they take bit to wind up.but ive blown up and sr20det before and find rb engines to be cheaper to replace,hard to kill,dnt sound like a wanna be honda lol.but im a fence sitter on this one i like both thats why i got a sr20det in 180sx and rb20det in silvia. at end of day they both can drift.and on the note of skylines be heavy and a tank my gf rb20det has cleaned up many sr20det silvias so dont let.these high and mighty sr boys make you think rb engines are shit house.i can say this because i own both.

SR20's are shit.
Dunno, they just sound like wannabe Honda's, plus any motor that uses rocker arms that piss-weak belongs in the bin
Here's a novel idea. Sell the POS S13 and get something you can put a decent motor in, like an early Soarer/Supra.
Fucking Datsuns.
EDIT: Shit, didnt mean to sound that fucking bad. It's just my opinion, so it prolly don't mean shit to you guys
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Gotta love the power and torque of the SRs.. but the reliability is poor IMO. Wouldnt go RB20 either if you can afford an SR...
Archy is pretty much a 1 gear track. You shove it in 2nd and stay there till your finished lol A stock 20 can quite happily bake away in 2nd with the odd clutch kick, As can an SR. Its QR when things get tricky. The track is def more suited to 3rd, But there are sections that are quite tight, But only short. This is where the rb20 would have issues but not so much the SR.

BTW drift is not cheap. Maybe when your starting out and running 205,65 profiles from the tip on steelies with a stockish import yes..but once you want to start progressing/getting more serious..costs start to skyrocket VERY quickly. The most drift ive ever done was the first yrs from when i started.. now its less and less due to the fact that a simple Fri night can cost me easily $350+, and thats without maintance costs/repairs/mods between track days.

(a member of the HATE ESSARRRRR bandwagon..)

what type of power would be good for a 32 rb20 to drift qr cos i was thinking of giving it ago soon

I was able to manage with 145rwkw in my old rb20, But there were a fair few clutch kicks in there And the tyre sizes i ran made a BIG impact on how the car handled. I Didnt run anything bigger then a 205.
I reckon 170-180rwkw would be a comfortable figure and allow you to run bigger tyre sizes. Keep in mind there are guys out there running NA RB20's and SR's and there still cutting it up! The main thing is getting out there.

so so true. not really into the drift scene but from what it seems its like a lot people are too worried about what equipment theyre using and biggest baddest wankiest setup they can think of. similar to the rally scene, although a lot less heroes. but its all about actually getting out there and practicing as much as possible. have seen time and time again where people with so little expirience get out there in very well (albeit expensively) set up cars only to come to grief and crash or a multitude of things go wrong with the car and they come away disenchanted. guarantee there'd be a lot of drifters out there that would have started in dunga shitheaps but have a wealth of expirience and practise/skill over people with cars worth 10 times as much. i could be wrong though

oh cool thanks mate ... yeah i should have enough power and atm at archy i run 215 or 225 50,55,60's depending what i can get a hold of cheapest lol

I could drift every corner at QR except for turn 1 & 2. But then again, I have never tried turn 1 & 2. I have 175rwkw in my RB20, with around 4000rpm lag, 195/45/16 (real sticky tyre though) and didn't even need to use clutch. But I mean, as soon as your drifting say turn 3 - crossover - 6; in 3rd gear it will sit around 6000rpm and it wont get any higher or any lower. So it doesn't leave you much room for mistakes. You have to be spot on, to get the whole corner down pat.

Only put an RB in if you're going for an RB25 or bigger. No point going to an RB20. It's the same capacity, but older and heavier and with less potential. They aren't necessarily as reliable as people make them out to be, because they are getting old.
Sr20 or RB25

And to the guy who said 2jz would be wank factor... WTF?? 2jz is tough as nails, bordering on indestructible and makes
dickloads of power and torque. The only reason you wouldn't put it ANYTHING is if you don't have the funds.

Personally, if I was to do another drift s13 I'd put a 1uz in =)