okay so i'm starting a drift/street legal car. right now i'm only 15 so i have plenty of time to do it. i have a 1984 RA65 lift back to do it but theres a problem. i got no motor, i recon i'lll just stick to the 22R-E that it came out with so if anyone has a good motor and/or gear box would be great, and also any ideas that could help me with my project like suspension, places to buy good parts etc etc. i'm able to get parts from really anywere around melbourne but live in the shep areas so yeah, some help would be greatly apreciated

hi mate, what sort of budget are we talking about?

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I always had a soft spot for the RA65 Prefer the coupes though
Anyways, sticking with the 22RE is a good bet, as they're a good strong motor that don't cost a lot to fix when you break something. Performance parts are relatively cheap (for NA you can get a set of hi-comp pistons for around US$650) and torque will never be a problem, like it can be with lower capacity engines.
You can use S13 front suspension gear, brakes etc, and there are various other Toyotas (MX73, RT142, MA61 etc) that you can use the rear swingarms, cradles, brakes, LSD's etc
Later on you can swap the 22RE for a BEAMS 3SGE, SR20, CA18, 3TGTE etc, depending on your budget.
Stud pattern is 4x114.3, so there are heaps of different rims available in decent offsets.
It's nice to see someone else starting out with something other than the usual Silvias, Skylines, RX7's etc. I'm not the only one now lol although it's a bit easier to find panels and stuff for an xA6x Celica than it is for a Jap market '81 Galant coupe lol
Cheers

really nice car slide1600 not really too sure about price but since i'm only 15 i got plenty of time to do it. i'm not much of a drift follower or know too much so i'd like as much help as i can get like good parts and places i could get them. currantly i dont even have a motor haha but i'll be tending to that soon. i also have 2 RA60's, one coupe and one lift back both with the stock 21R-C motors i could put in but i'd much prefer the little bit more power and the wiring loom and other parts i need are in it. with the lift back its a parts car for panels and what not. i dont know how far i'll go with it so what i put in the engine bay would really depend on that. and thank sjweb2876 for the info on the brakes, suspension and LSD info. like i said before, and info and help is greatly apreciated =D

if i am unable to find a 22R-E motor, could i just settle for a 22R and use the same wiring or will i have to change them and will it be a lot less power since its not fuel injected or not much difference?

thanks

You shouldn't have any problems finding a 22r-e. Get some coilovers made up with the factory struts, they'll need to be cut down and you'll have to use an mr2 insert, but IMO it's worth it over the s13 gear. Depends on budget though.
LSD should be easy enough to get a hold of. You'll be able to use an LSD designed for an early model JDM AE86 in your stock T diff, or upgrade to a bigger one.
You can definately make a good drift car out of them. Look at Simons car, and also Sara's a63 coupe.
Toyotal love

RA65's are IRS dude, they use the same setup as MA61 Supra's
Anyways, 22RE's came in a bucketload of cars. RT142 Coronas, RNxx ('84ish on) Hiluxes, Hiace vans, Landcruiser Bundera's and RA65's just to name the ones I can think of off the top of my head. 4WD wreckers always have a few in stock.
You will lose a bit of power using the carby motor (22RC), but they've got a wider torque curve than the EFI motors.
Check out Ebay etc, they pop up on there fairly regularly.

the best thing to do is to set up the underneath of ur car, i built mine and did everything but that, was good to drive i thought, then i started putting dollars into pineapples and sway bars and shit and it made a huge difference, so start from the bottom and work ur way up, build a nice 250kw engine and set up the car before u get anymore power, then when its set up, go for more power, thats what i have done now, now im making 450rwkws

Plenty of time mann!!!!!!
pleanty of time!!!!!!

Im 17 now only wish i had a good base to start off with.. I have a van that i have worked since i was 15 getting close to ready aye. well worth getting the car done aye! keep on it man!

Doing a KE70 build next year can't fucking wait.
! kudo's !

yeah i've checked up at the wreckers but there is another i can try. i've also been looking on ebay a fair bit but havnt found too much, i've also looked at parts for other cars that you said jwebb2876 but also havnt found much

It gets that way sometimes, there'll be a rash of 22r's for sale then all of a sudden there's nothing
Are either of your RA60's manual? You're probably best off dropping in the 21RC and W50 five speed for now. Use an XE/XF Falcon carby (Weber 34ADM), Crow street cam (they're around $280), extractors and a full 2.5in exhaust, weld the diff and you should be right until you can find a 22RE. If you intend to register the car you'll need all the RA65 emissions gear on the 21R, but that can be ripped out later lol
When you do find a 22r, it'll bolt up to the W50 no worries.
Cheers dude

if all else fails i can use one of the parts car which are RA60's so there isnt much of a difference (i recon i'll go with the liftback) at least for now and use that motor. but the problem is its an auto, i know manuals are good for drifting but can it be done good using an auto tranny?

cheers

can be but you would need to manualize the shifter, otherwise once you get the revs up while spinning it will change up a gear... and if you back off the throttle it will shift up also... also kills the ability to dial up some revs and drop the clutch etc. honestly - an auto is going to be useless.
People dont just drift manual vehicles cos they work well - they do it cos they are really the only option :-)

yeah i thought so, thanks. another question. d oyou have to have a roll cage to drift? its no problem getting one make i'm just wondering if i have to go so i can drift without one till i can get one

No you dont need one really, but i guess it depends on what level of drifting you want to go to mate. For places like archerfield and qld raceway etc you dont need one. Most event hosts/sponsors understand that being a growing sport most people are doing it on a budget with relatively low powered vehicles and relatively low speeds, plus there isnt a full grid of cars out there at once, so the danger is minimal compared to other motorsports, and as such dont require a cage. Hell, you dont even need a cage for drag racing til you do a sub-11sec pass according to ANDRA, and thats going MUCH quicker than youll find at a drift course.
There arent many places who can build proper cams/andra approved cages, and as such can get a bit pricey, but luckily you dont need to worry about it.

i live down in vic so i'lll be going to places like sand down and winton, do you think they'll be the same? my dad would like my in one just for safety so do you think a home made one would be fine?

Not if it crushes in when you roll it and traps you in the car by either pinning you down or disabling access to an exit point while the car steadily burns.

well thats reasurring haha no my dad has welded up a roll cage before

haha no worries... but honestly you'd do better to spend some cash on steering, braking and suspension, and minimise the risk of any incidents altogether. Firth things i did on my car were new brake rotors and decent pads, and replaced all worn bushes with nolathane etc, decent anti-sway bars, and good shocks and springs, which im now upgrading to coilover suspension.

yeah i was told to do basically everything under the car but i cant really find much for a ra60 around here

thats why not MANY people drift them - not the same abundance and availability of parts that you can find with most nissans etc. Disappointing really - i really just recommend sending PM's to others who are running the same/similar vehicles and try to organise parts from where they got theres etc. Theyll be helpful with advice and such too. But dont expect it to be as easy and straight forward as many other cars might be.

the problem is after market stuff and getting parts off other cars like LSD's as my local wrecker doesnt have other cars but they do have 2 of the same as mine so that's a bit of a plus

Which is why theyre not MANY peoples first choice of drift car. It can be done tho, just will typically take longer to find the bits you need, and you'll need to look further for them which normally means LOTS of postage for ebay parts haha

yeah its always fun paying $20 for something as small as a tacho, well thats life i spose. iether ebay or a heap more money for custom made parts

Haha or a different car unless you are totally in love and adamant about the celica.
Its a shame, because the more people who use a certain type of vehicle, the more aftermarket support there is for them, and the cheaper the parts are. However, the fact there IS not much support means that not many people start to use the vehicles in the first place, so it never happens.
But like i said, have a chat to the people using those cars and try and get some figures and info out of them, to make sure your project is justifiable financially etc.

i shall. thank you very much for the help, i appreciate it

no worries man. drifting talk is probably the section on here with the least wankers haha - except for when other random users stray into here and fuck it up. Im sure they'll be happy to help.

I wouldn't be too worried about an LSD, just weld your open cente up. LSD is ideal, but weldies do work jsut fine.
Are you a member of toymods?? There aren't alot of drift enthusiasts there, but there are a lot of toyota enthusiasts. If you put up a wanted ad for a 22re, and manual covnersion, I'm sure you'll get something fiarly quickly. As for suspension, check out ajps. They stock alot of gear for celicas, sprinters, etc. www.ajps.com.au

i drift my n/a r32, i dont have a problem with loosing power. The only thing which will cause you to loose it, is your ability to keep the angle or not having a lsd... so the lsd is like number 1, doesnt have to be a 2 way or anything which costs heaps, can just be a stock lsd and get it re-shimmed if need be. The dude above recons welding a diff is good for drifting, but its not its way to hard to control, the rear end just does what it wants, and in the wet you'll spin out alot and look like an idiot..... then coilovers and adjustable arms,sway bars, and get you suspension set up for drift, wheel balancing, camber, toe and caster, and also tie rods, i have them fitted and i've noticed they do help a fair bit. then you gota make sure you engines up to the punishment lol, mine had some trouble at the start but i sorted my fuel problem out so its always got fuel getting in their, also set it up for air flow with a pod and all that goes with it.
and if your keen on a new clutch that'll help cus that one in that car wont be up to the task for to long i wouldn't think, i'd say a HD 5puk button clutch is a really good clutch for drifting because they can handle alot of clutch kicking, really good heat threshold.
anyway man thats all i can think of, good luck with the set up, im going through the process now of setting mine up as i grow up, im on my green p's atm, so its a fun process but also expensive lol make sure you have some money kept away for when the car packs up, cus it'll happen lol

Did you read his post at all mate?? His celica is a VERY different car to your skyline..... Yes, welded diffs aren't great for street driving, but the are fine for drifting. My 2way LSD locks up very easily, it's pretty much locked all the time, and it's perfect for drift. An LSD will make both wheels spin... The rear end won't "Do what it wants" it will spin both wheels all the time.
Basics for drifitng
1. LSD, or weldy
2. Stiffened up suspension
3. radiator/oil cooler (reliability is the key to enjoying drifting)

LOL ok mate uve lost ur mind.. go ahead and lock ur diff... ull see... 2 ways r VERY different, they dont skip around when ur going thru maccas drivethrus do they? dumbass.

we'll he's building a drift car isn't he?? not a soccer mums car...

just trying to keep the poor kid from spinning out in a line and get smashed by other cars.

That's why we keep it on the track

pffft..

^ Spot on. I also say locked diff, Esp if your on a budget. Im running a locked diff and have been drifting it happily for 2.5yrs. If the kids spinning out constantly then its not the car.. its the kids driving style. Or perhaps its the fact hes a learner drifter?? :/

Wouldnt be calling Nafe a dumbass either. Hes been around drifting for a loong time (im sure alot longer then you) and isnt just talking out of his arse.

good to see young kids picking something rather than a silvia or 80 to drift in..

seeing how you have a old car, i would say that you're gonna need some new *new as in used / newer then what is on the car* parts to keep it stable and sideways


can't believe im gonna say this, but.. a good motor for learners / drifting in a small car *like yours* is a SR, they are cheap as hell and finding parts for them is like trying to find porn on the internet, it's easy.

get some really hard springs or if you can afford to buy some coilovers and wind that shit down and make it nice and hard, other wise you'll get body roll, and body roll isn't what you want.

and for the guys saying 2 way or weld or open etc.. every single car i have ever drifted in has had a 2way, not a 1way, not a 1.5, not a 43251324.1, a 2way LSD..

so you'd probs just want to do a weld job until you can buy a proper aftermarket one.. apart from that, a clutch is the other thing you'll need.. cause as a leaner you'll probally learn by clutch kicking..


apart from that have funnnnnnnnnn mother fucker

Actually rob0091190, yes, my 2way chirps wherever I go

im not sure, so some one correct me if i'm worng, but i beleive he said he also wants to keep the car as a daily as well (or at least be able to drive on the roads) and umm... isnt a welded diff illegal? i know the chance of cops checking is minimal but im just not sure. And would also like to know as im going to start building a drifter soon =D

hey bud nice start, if you ever need any more power 22Rs are pretty easy to turbo too.
he does say street use so id stay away from welding your diff up if its gona be driven daily

u should just start from scratch and s13 rollin shell, wilkl b alot easier 2 find what u need

well so far my project has been going no were. cars have been stripped, put back together, changed, brought and sold etc and with help from my father, we have decided on not using the RA65 but using my RA60 as there are at least 3 more i could use for parts at my work. so really the only difference in the cars are the motors, yes? the car has started to be stripped, seats, carpet, roof lining ets is gone and am currantly looking for cheap cars to get the suspension out of as well as a W50 gear box (also very rare down were i live) so i've got a long way to go.

RA65's have IRS and the W55 'box. Heaps better car IMO. I had one (a notchback) when I first got my P's, it was a 22RE manual (W55) with extractors, 2.25in exhaust, custom CAI, AJPS coilies in the front, AE86 TRD Blue shocks and custom rate lowered springs in the rear and an auto MX73 Cressida 4.1:1 LSD centre in place of the standard RA65 open jobbie. It handled heaps better than my mate's SA63 (live axle rear, like the RA60) that had pretty much the same setup except for using AE86 coilies and Koni Yellow shocks. I hate myself for selling that car
If you've got a bit of mechanical know-how the RA65 is a better choice as there's a lot of stuff you can use from other cars (MA61 Supra, IRS RT142 Corona, MX73 Cressida, AE86 etc.) You can use the 21R and W50 from the RA60.
Plus, the '65 has a heaps better looking front end than the '60 IMO lol

It will if you have no idea how to drive

all my drift cars have had lockers in them, including my RA65 comp car. i recomend locking it:)

Also, the IRS in the ra65 is very important and something you want. build the 65