I headed down to GNC to buy my protein that i usalley take, i went with my mate and he talked me into buying this "Horse Power" creatine stuff. It was $94.95 but i got it for $70, i went to the gym today and got all the weird tingles and shit that the GNC store owner told me about. I kinda regret buying it, is it good and worth it?I am trying to become defined more then gain large muscle mass, is this stuff for me?

The tingles you are experiencing is from the beta-alanine in the mixture, it is normal. There are never any guarantees with supplements, comes down to many factors, whether you are training well, eating well, resting well. This product may very well help you put on some lean size, but it may also not. GNC tend to be quite expensive for supplements also, there is a thread in this section with a list of supplement shops with their location. I think you will find most will be cheaper than GNC. They may not have this exact product, but will certainly have something similar, so many brands out there these days.

I didn't read all of the write up about it, but it doesn' appear to have any caffeine, which I personally think is a good thing. So many of these types of products just load them up with caffeine, so it's hard to tell if they are really doing anything for you apart from giving your central nervous system a massive buzz.

This product is also available from bodybuilding.com for US$42.89 for 1kg.

If you are just trying to lean up, just focus on getting your diet better, and throw in some cardio on the days that you don't lift weights.

Has any 1 tried this product? Does it work well?

waste of money imo

dont bother with creatine

Why? I need to know why. Dont just say i shouldent take it haha

Oh and i dont get the weird tingles any more!

They are telling you not to buy it because you would see better gains just by improving your current diet. Supplements can be useful in some cases, but eating correctly should be your first priority.

mate hit up biologic labs and speak to damon. He's the owner and back in the day he talked me out of buying creatine and explained exactly why it would be a waste if your diet isnt spot on

http://www.biologiclabs.com/home/default.asp

until you have reached a certain level with your lifts it's a waste of money

So i dont need this shit because i am aiming for definition?

Doing personal training for many years, and competition sports. creatine has awesome effects. providing you also do eat correctly. no point eating shit then stocking up on supps... the 2 creatines i found work great are San Fierce, and Evolve Pump Action. These allow you to get alot more pumps there fore better, quicker gains. There are so many creatines out there so when people say they do not work, they simply havent found one that works for them apart from the fact that there are so many shit brands that i agree do nothing.

But apparentley this stuff is not like any other creatine, it has like 3 different types of creatine that make up only a small percentage of the suppliment. It has NO, arginineee and more.

I found this info about it on a site:

Ultimate Nutrition’s Horse Power contains twenty highly-anabolic cell-volumizing ingredients including 3 types of Creatine, 3 types of Arginine, Betaine HCL, Taurine, and N-Acetyl-L-Glutamine. They work in combination with a potent blend of Beta-Alanine, Glycerol Monostearate, MCT’s, Citrulline Ethyl Ester Malate, L-Norvaline, Guanidinopropionic Acid, Gynostemma Pentaphyllum, Ornithine Alpha Ketoglutarate, R-Alpha Lipoic Acid, Rutaecarpine, and Glycocyamine.

The Kre-Alkalyn® /Creatine Ethyl Ester / Tricreatine Malate stack provides an enormously soluble creatine that provides superior bioavailability over regular creatine monohydrate. By combining these three powerful creatines, it creates the ability for creatine to be fully absorbed into the bloodstream; where it is transported to muscle tissue and absorbed inside muscle cells with the highest efficiency. In addition, because Tricreatine Malate is bound to malic acid, it offers greater ATP production.

Horse Power includes Arginine Alpha Ketoglutarate (AAKG), Arginine Ethyl Ester Dihydrochloride and Arginine Ketoisocaproate that radically boosts Nitric Oxide levels which increases blood flow and provides a constant supply of anabolic nutrients to the muscles far beyond regular L-arginine. In addition, they drastically increase and prolong the production and level of nitric oxide in the body considerably without interfering with the absorption of creatine.

Horse Power also includes amino acids crucial to colossal gains. Citrulline Ethyl Ester Malate stimulates energy, boosts the immune system, is metabolized to form L-arginine and as a result regulates Nitric Oxide production, and detoxifies ammonia, which damages living cells. Beta-Alanine directly influences muscle strength by buffering acid build-up in the muscle, which can help prevent muscle loss commonly resulting from acidosis. It also aids in the volumization effect of creatine, meaning fuller muscles. Taurine improves exercise performance and electrical and contractile properties of skeletal muscle. It expands muscle cells, boosting hydration and resulting in a higher rate of protein synthesis.

Horse Power includes the most potent, most stable, and most bioavailable forms of R-Alpha Lipoic Acid (R-ALA) and Glutamine available. R-ALA is the form of Alpha Lipoic Acid that is found naturally occurring within the body and is the most biologically active form of ALA. It has been scientifically shown to be far more effective than S-ALA, the artificial, synthetic byproduct created during the production of ALA. N-Acetyl-L-Glutamine (NAG) is a highly stable and bioavailable form of the highly abundant amino acid, L-Glutamine. It is among the quickest and most efficiently absorbed glutamines, and results in greater recovery, cell-volumization, growth hormone release, protein synthesis, immune function, and anti-catabolic effects.

Glycocyamine, the immediate precursor of creatine, not only assists by escalating the bodies own natural production of creatine, but also elevates creatine phosphate storage inside the skeletal muscle, to build bigger, fuller muscles. Glycocyamine, like R-ALA, is a potent insulin-mimicking-agent, with the ability to cause more creatine phosphate storage in skeletal muscles without the use of a “sugar spike”.

When you look at this formula as a whole, you'll see why Ultimate Nutrition’s Horse Power is receiving rave reviews from our customers. Horse Power drastically increases glycogen storage, Creatine, ATP production and nitrogen retention. The end result is an astonishing increase in muscle fullness, athletic performance, and lean body mass. With twenty ingredients acting to enhance nitric oxide production, you too will rave about the enormous pumps you can achieve from using Horse Power.

dave I just want to ask you something, what are your lifts like atm?

I do 15 reps of the set weight, and i usually struggle by the 10th rep and need spotting for the last 2 or 3 reps, how come?

you hit the wall

Huh?

Well you'll feel fine and be like "oh yeah I can do this easy" while pumping away and feeling good and then all of a sudden one more rep later its almost impossible to do and your struggling to get em out.

Everyone has it, but everyone has a different wall limit.

e.g when I do bench dips in sets of 25 I'll be cruising along and have found my limit when I start really struggling is at 15-17 while my other mates is 9 when he does the same sets.

You want to be struggling for those last 2 or so reps.

The last two or so reps should be to the point where you cannot perform one more rep or close to that.

Just as the quote right above my head on my wall from Arnold says "The last three or four reps is what makes the muscles grow. This area of pain divides a champion from someone who is not a champion."

Always remember that

Edit: double post

no i mean how much can you lift

advertising company success!

HORSE POWERRRRR!!!

i'm gona make a brand and call it vtec

So it will be overpriced, not even any good, and popular with homosexuals?

atleast it will make you scream alot and make heaps of noise, that's enough to make you look tough right? lol

HAHA! So ture!

I can do 27.5kg dumbells, thats the most i have tryed and i can do it

is dumbbell press the only thing you do?