QUOTE (the_random_hero @ Aug 4 2009, 07:15 AM)

I can see how they could be passable for old people or the like who are willing to trade value for convenience, but I still believe they are a waste of money. Harvey Norman/DSE/etc will always be willing to drop the price a little or do some sort of deal, if you're looking for convenience go there.
I would happily put a Dell system against any other pre-built system by the various retail outlets, and I can almost guarantee the Dell systems will come out on top just in 'bang for buck'. I can DEFINATELY guarantee they will come out on top once you factor in support.
While Dell systems are entirely unsuitable for prosumers / enthusiasts due to their fairly limited upgrade paths (though since they just use OEM parts from people like Intel and Western Digital theres really no reason why they cant be upgraded aside from the Dell-spec lock down of the Intel motherboards) they are pretty much spot on perfect for anyone else.
If you were arguing that a custom built PC from a random nerd store was better value then a Dell I'd agree with you (support aside), but theres no way I'm gonna play that game if youre comparing to retail outlets like Harvey Norman and Dick Smith. They are terribad for value for money!