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THE sleeping giant of Australian sport yesterday unveiled a brave new plan to take on AFL and rugby league as one of the nation's sporting heavyweights.

In arguably the biggest shake-up in the 12-year history of V8 Supercars, acting chief executive Tony Cochrane yesterday declared the sport would be bigger than rugby league in three years.

He said the category would be open to manufacturers such as Nissan and Toyota, taking the focus off the rivalry between Holden and Ford.

In a blow to Holden, the red team's favourite son Mark Skaife will lead the charge to have other manufacturers join in, with the V8 legend appointed as the head of the "car of the future" program.

Following an extraordinary team owners meeting on the Gold Coast last week, Cochrane yesterday outlined the historic shake-up, which includes:

• Skaife to talk to "as many manufacturers as possible" in a bid to expand the competition beyond Ford and Holden by 2012.

• Moves to split the racing calendar into two phases next year, with a mid-year break from July to September. This would avoid clashes with AFL and NRL finals.

• Cutting costs. Team owners last week agreed to target 14 items for "cost reduction".

• A new chief executive. V8 Supercars is on the lookout to replace Cameron Levick, who quit suddenly. Cochrane promised a restructure before the new boss was appointed for next year.

• A plan to extend racing from 15 to 17 competition rounds, including more international events.

• A review of the technical department of V8 Supercars.

Cochrane revealed former Holden Racing Team driver and owner Skaife had already held talks with rival manufacturers.

"It is Mark Skaife's primary responsibility," Cochrane said.

"He has already spoken to some manufacturers and he intends to have follow-up meetings with some. We want to be really inclusive in this process.

"We are quite happy to talk to any manufacturer about joining the series. We want to continue our long and healthy relationship with both Ford and Holden and we want to retain them but also want a new- look series for 2012.

"Both those manufacturers (Holden and Ford) have encouraged us to get other manufacturers involved.

"Whether there are three manufacturers or 14 manufacturers in the series in 2012, I don't mind. We have a very open mind and I made a joke the other day saying I'm glad to have Rolls-Royce."

Cochrane said V8 Supercars would overtake rugby league as No.1 sport in NSW in three years.

"I am not silly enough to think we can overtake AFL as the country's most popular sport," Cochrane said. "But I think we can outrank rugby league when the next TV rights deal is done in three years. We have already gone past rugby union, they don't figure."


Well it has been on the cards for some time but no one knew when it would be announced. What are we to expect with new manufactures in the Supercar format and will they allow the Toyota/Nissian Quad cam V8 motors in?
TheKhakiWarrior
I think it's about time we start allowing teams to use turbo's, to keep it fair put a ceiling on the power able to be generated? But seriously, last time they introduced a nissan into the ranks it all ended very badly ph34r.gif
Timmyp34
Nissan would have to build a whole new car to compete. They cant use the GTR since thats a whole different class of car.

heavy
QUOTE (Timmyp34 @ Jun 21 2009, 08:05 AM) *
Nissan would have to build a whole new car to compete. They cant use the GTR since thats a whole different class of car.


That is the question? What motor would they use and would they be allowed to have turbo's?

I think that V8 supercars will be going down the same lines a Nascar in the near future so I have heard from my close sources, so that would mean that Nissan would not have tobuild a completely new car in order to compete as all the cars will be same just the running gear will show whom they compete for.
taffywing
It is called " V8 " supercars for a reason........here's hoping it sticks to the v8 format and encourages the other manufacturers to step up, i know toyota has one so game on....
TheKhakiWarrior
VH41DE with stroker away? I'm putting one of these suckers in my skyline, they tear arseholes in indycars apparently
Mr.B
Nissan's GTR they use in the FIA GT1 uses a RWD V8...
Rookie ROX
QUOTE (heavy @ Jun 21 2009, 09:11 AM) *
I think that V8 supercars will be going down the same lines a Nascar in the near future so I have heard from my close sources, so that would mean that Nissan would not have tobuild a completely new car in order to compete as all the cars will be same just the running gear will show whom they compete for.


I think this man is on the money. I foresee a new manufacturer being nothing more than a different shaped shell, with everything else identical to the other brands. Same engines, same suspension, it'll just be a matter of who can tweak it the best, as it is now.

I'd prefer less focus on V8 Supercars and more back on Group A racing with some real cars.

ROCK ON
R~R
clutch-monkey
this is fucking great news. could be very interesting.
QUOTE (taffywing @ Jun 21 2009, 09:18 AM) *
It is called " V8 " supercars for a reason........here's hoping it sticks to the v8 format and encourages the other manufacturers to step up, i know toyota has one so game on....

i dunno - remember back in the day how you'd have different engines, with cars being better on different parts of the track; something like that would be awesome. i hope they do something like that without making it unbalanced.
but i fear that with the level of development there won't be much room for battles like that, any edge might be too much?
edit: if it's as above... as per rookies post..fuck.
#10
QUOTE (Rookie ROX @ Jun 22 2009, 10:03 AM) *
I think this man is on the money. I foresee a new manufacturer being nothing more than a different shaped shell, with everything else identical to the other brands. Same engines, same suspension, it'll just be a matter of who can tweak it the best, as it is now.

I'd prefer less focus on V8 Supercars and more back on Group A racing with some real cars.

ROCK ON
R~R


Like a NASCAR style shell? That could be excellent for the cost cutting they are talking about as they could be mass produced and deisgned to be repared cheap. Although safety testing, devlopment etc. could be where the bucks have to be spent.. long term though it looks good.

Why can't v8supercar aim to top AFL? Sounds like they're a bit scared.

I'm hoping for 4 makes. Holden, Ford, Toyota (Aurion, Camry v8) and Mitsibishi (Magna v8) and Nissan with the r34 although what happened last time a Skyline was ripping around the mountian? Ended in tears for the catagory.
Evaded Motorsport
QUOTE (Rookie ROX @ Jun 22 2009, 10:03 AM) *
I think this man is on the money. I foresee a new manufacturer being nothing more than a different shaped shell, with everything else identical to the other brands. Same engines, same suspension, it'll just be a matter of who can tweak it the best, as it is now.

I'd prefer less focus on V8 Supercars and more back on Group A racing with some real cars.

ROCK ON
R~R


If it ends up like Nascar with 4 different manafacturers but with simply a slightly different shell then Cochrane deserves a smack in the head.

I honestly could not agree with you any more Rookie.

QUOTE (#10 @ Jun 22 2009, 10:17 AM) *
Like a NASCAR style shell? That could be excellent for the cost cutting they are talking about as they could be mass produced and deisgned to be repared cheap. Although safety testing, devlopment etc. could be where the bucks have to be spent.. long term though it looks good.

Why can't v8supercar aim to top AFL? Sounds like they're a bit scared.

I'm hoping for 4 makes. Holden, Ford, Toyota (Aurion, Camry v8) and Mitsibishi (Magna v8) and Nissan with the r34 although what happened last time a Skyline was ripping around the mountian? Ended in tears for the catagory.


I don't know if you had noticed but quite a few years ago the Magna was ditched wink.gif.
57IKS
i like the idea... but i think that it should be kept purely v8's which then i dunno how toyota and nissan would be able to merge into the sport without prominent v8s...should be interesting would the come up with..
Mr.B
QUOTE (57IKS @ Jun 22 2009, 11:04 AM) *
i like the idea... but i think that it should be kept purely v8's which then i dunno how toyota and nissan would be able to merge into the sport without prominent v8s...should be interesting would the come up with..


You've obviously never seen Super GT events then have you?
xcore
I don't know if you had noticed but quite a few years ago the Magna was ditched wink.gif.
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it was replaced by the 380. got him on technicality i suppose. i still call them a magna though
Evaded Motorsport
QUOTE (xcore @ Jun 22 2009, 11:16 AM) *
I don't know if you had noticed but quite a few years ago the Magna was ditched wink.gif.


it was replaced by the 380. got him on technicality i suppose. i still call them a magna though


The 380 has been canned as well smile.gif

Click here for article
TPG
QUOTE (57IKS @ Jun 22 2009, 11:04 AM) *
i like the idea... but i think that it should be kept purely v8's which then i dunno how toyota and nissan would be able to merge into the sport without prominent v8s...should be interesting would the come up with..


It's not like Holden and Ford race their engines anyway.
oatesy
it dosen't matter which way you slice it, holden v ford is gettin a little old.
But staying true to the class, it has to be said, that the front mount v8 rwd layout of the cars must stay. (NO FORCED INDUCTION)

As for going back to the Group A days, thats why we have production car, gt cup, ect. classes. You need to think more along the lines of nascar cross dtm.

It is no longer a prod based class, they basicly run 5ltrs nd if u look at the current commo vairent the run a 6ltr from the factory...... so weather toyota/nissin/mitsi have a relevant v8 is obsilete. as long as they produce one they should be elagible.
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Drift/Spec
Maybe they should go to more of a sports sedan format, those things are wild!
WattsyLX
If they plan to be bigger than Rugby League, then lets hope they move Bathurst back to its traditional date on the October long weekend!
The whole reason it is now on the following weekend was due to a date clash with the NRL grand final and fears the event would not be competitive in the supporter market.... so if they do get bigger, then it shouldnt be a problem!
Driftlab
BRING BACK SKAIFE IN THE NEW GTR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MUHAHAHA BYE BYE HOLDEN AND FORD!!!!!!
WattsyLX
QUOTE (Driftlab @ Jul 2 2009, 12:42 AM) *
BRING BACK SKAIFE IN THE NEW GTR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MUHAHAHA BYE BYE HOLDEN AND FORD!!!!!!



Its V8 Supercars...... not Turbo6 Supercars.


So unless the new GTR is powered by a naturally aspirated V8 engine, it isnt going to happen.


However interesting to note in the article they plan to review the technical rules. Bigger capacity engines that the current 5 litres perhaps? Considering Holden doesnt sell 5L V8s in Australia anymore, and hasnt done for 10 years, this would almost have to happen!
heavy
QUOTE (WattsyLX @ Jul 2 2009, 06:26 AM) *
Its V8 Supercars...... not Turbo6 Supercars.


So unless the new GTR is powered by a naturally aspirated V8 engine, it isnt going to happen.


However interesting to note in the article they plan to review the technical rules. Bigger capacity engines that the current 5 litres perhaps? Considering Holden doesnt sell 5L V8s in Australia anymore, and hasnt done for 10 years, this would almost have to happen!


Well ford run a 5.4lt don't they? All it will be in the end is basically the same as Nascar but on a road circuit format.

Bathurst date will not be changed as it is a government choice so they get the max amount of people at each event.
WattsyLX
QUOTE (heavy @ Jul 2 2009, 08:38 PM) *
Well ford run a 5.4lt don't they?



Yep.


Even more reason to change the maximum engine capacity from 5 litres. At the end of the day they still want the cars to maintain some form of similarity to the road going varieties, and if neither Ford or Holden sell a V8 under the 5L capacity then that isnt happening.
GLD-086
QUOTE (Driftlab @ Jul 2 2009, 01:42 AM) *
BRING BACK SKAIFE IN THE NEW GTR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MUHAHAHA BYE BYE HOLDEN AND FORD!!!!!!


Yeah I guess it's a good idea to put someone in the new GTR that spent the majority of his career driving Holdens. Only way to make a Nissan go is by putting a Holden man behind the wheel. laugh.gif
GT-5732
That is Awesome!!!!

Bring on the R35 GTR!!!!!
VTR
QUOTE (Rookie ROX @ Jun 22 2009, 10:03 AM) *
I'd prefer less focus on V8 Supercars and more back on Group A racing with some real cars.


That'd be more entertaining to say the least...
black_vx
aurion with a v8
PANDA
QUOTE (MYB16 @ Jun 25 2009, 12:47 AM) *
It's not like Holden and Ford race their engines anyway.



Wel they kinda do, ford have the Windsor and Holden use the Chevy engine, it would be unfair for toyota and nissan to race their own engines seriously both have Quad Cam 4 valves per cylinder even though the capacity is less they would be well up there and would be hard to Restrict their development. Unless there is a major rule (V8 super cars are for Australian Produced V8's) they will have access to Ford and or Chev engines and use their on shells. I say bring it on!!!

People calling for GTR's to enter roflmao Sif tht would happen and try and keep your hand of it! The GTR's werent banned the racing moved to a different Class setup which the GTR and sierra did not fit into so stop your sooking and get over it!

Dont think im a V8 supertaxi Fanboi either i refuse to watch that shit just sick of people bending the truth to suit themselves
nferno
I view it pointless. They wont have there own rwd shells to use, how is that a fair competition?Or a competition at all..

Remember how long the touring car class's lasted in this country? Not long at all, the punters voted with there feet.

P.s all you GTR fanboys really need to get a new cock to suck
PANDA
both Nissan and Toyota have RWD shells though....could be wrong on the toyota front but nissan have the Skyline(no not the GTR as its not a skyrice anymore)
turbo x-trail
what about a 350z/370z with a VH45DE?
maybe they would be the wrong category being 2dr, i dunno
but yeh R35 chassis would do well with a VH motor, goodbye holden AND ford.

i dont think toyota could use aurions as they are front wheel drive. i doubt you could fit an 8 + gearbox in any engine bay laterally.
at current toyota dont have a RWD chassis eligible for this type of racing so i dunno, maybe since they are the same company, they could borrow a lexus chassis, maybe an LS or GS, then install a 1UZ-FR or 2UR-FSE...
mylexusis
i would say if nissan races it will be a maxima and toyota a camry running a 5l push rod v8 through the rear wheels , thats the rules of the class , neither ford or holden actually use any of the driveline from there road cars either
s13viper
QUOTE (Rookie ROX @ Jun 22 2009, 10:03 AM) *
I think this man is on the money. I foresee a new manufacturer being nothing more than a different shaped shell, with everything else identical to the other brands. Same engines, same suspension, it'll just be a matter of who can tweak it the best, as it is now.

I'd prefer less focus on V8 Supercars and more back on Group A racing with some real cars.

ROCK ON
R~R


While your 100% right, it would(is) tough to have 5+ manufactures with different cars/engines/chassis all be close over the course of a lap.

Allthough it is possible, the motorbikes have it pretty right, the MotoGP, Supersport and Superbikes all run with multiple manufactures and are reasonbly close.

Id love to see group A back, based on production cars, but then the problems of old will return, the superior cars from japan and europe would crush the aussie cars, resulting in exactly what happened last time. We pretty much have the R32 GTR to thank for the current V8 Supercar format
GTRVspec95
QUOTE (taffywing @ Jun 21 2009, 09:18 AM) *
It is called " V8 " supercars for a reason........here's hoping it sticks to the v8 format and encourages the other manufacturers to step up, i know toyota has one so game on....


Step up ???

In the late 60's/early 70's the Japanese where playing with V8's and V12's producing over 500hp when Aussies where still trying to figure out a small block V8

TOYOTA's 7 produced 800hp out of a 5 litre twin turbo V8 in 1970





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_7

NISSAN's R382 produced 600hp out of a 6 litre V12





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_R382

QUOTE (Mr.B @ Jun 22 2009, 09:40 AM) *
Nissan's GTR they use in the FIA GT1 uses a RWD V8...


More then likely the derivative they have been using in the old 350z Super GT car







NISSAN GT-R Super GT Specifications

Overall length: 4,800 mm
Overall width: 2,000 mm
Wheelbase: 2,720 mm
Tread (front): 1,685 mm
Tread (after): 1,675 mm
Vehicle weight: 1,100 kg
Model Engine: VK45DE
Displacement: 4,494 cc
Maximum Output: 500ps
Torque above: 52Kgm over
Clutch: 5.5 "Model KABONTORIPURUPURETO
Transmission: Sequential 6-speed TORANSUAKUSURUTAIPU
Brakes (front): BENCHIRETEDDODISUKU
brake (after): BENCHIRETEDDODISUKU
Suspension (front): DABURUUISSHUBON suspension
(after): DABURUUISSHUBON
Drive system: 2WD (FR)
wheel (front): 13.0J × 18 wheels (after): 13.0J × 17
Tire (front): 330/40R18 tires (after): 330/45R17

http://www.nismo.co.jp/motorsports/race/SU...ecifcation.html

QUOTE (nferno @ Jul 12 2009, 02:37 PM) *
I view it pointless. They wont have there own rwd shells to use, how is that a fair competition?Or a competition at all..

Remember how long the touring car class's lasted in this country? Not long at all, the punters voted with there feet.

P.s all you GTR fanboys really need to get a new cock to suck


I love it how V8 Supercar fan boys think that just because the Japanese are no longer competing in Australia they haven't been racing their cars else where in the world rolleyes.gif

For shits and giggles I would love for the Japanese competing teams to bring in their raced prepped Super GT500 car and see just how quick they are on an Australian circuit with a V8 supercar driver behind the wheel.
clutch-monkey
need to equalise it.
i want different cars being faster in different ways. makes it more entertaining, more overtaking.
mylexusis
QUOTE (GTRVspec95 @ Jul 28 2009, 01:09 AM) *
Step up ???

In the late 60's/early 70's the Japanese where playing with V8's and V12's producing over 500hp when Aussies where still trying to figure out a small block V8

TOYOTA's 7 produced 800hp out of a 5 litre twin turbo V8 in 1970





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_7

NISSAN's R382 produced 600hp out of a 6 litre V12





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_R382



More then likely the derivative they have been using in the old 350z Super GT car







NISSAN GT-R Super GT Specifications

Overall length: 4,800 mm
Overall width: 2,000 mm
Wheelbase: 2,720 mm
Tread (front): 1,685 mm
Tread (after): 1,675 mm
Vehicle weight: 1,100 kg
Model Engine: VK45DE
Displacement: 4,494 cc
Maximum Output: 500ps
Torque above: 52Kgm over
Clutch: 5.5 "Model KABONTORIPURUPURETO
Transmission: Sequential 6-speed TORANSUAKUSURUTAIPU
Brakes (front): BENCHIRETEDDODISUKU
brake (after): BENCHIRETEDDODISUKU
Suspension (front): DABURUUISSHUBON suspension
(after): DABURUUISSHUBON
Drive system: 2WD (FR)
wheel (front): 13.0J × 18 wheels (after): 13.0J × 17
Tire (front): 330/40R18 tires (after): 330/45R17

http://www.nismo.co.jp/motorsports/race/SU...ecifcation.html



I love it how V8 Supercar fan boys think that just because the Japanese are no longer competing in Australia they haven't been racing their cars else where in the world rolleyes.gif

For shits and giggles I would love for the Japanese competing teams to bring in their raced prepped Super GT500 car and see just how quick they are on an Australian circuit with a V8 supercar driver behind the wheel.

the gt 500 are a very different class of car there is no point trying to compare them around a track . our simple v8 super car class might not have the most advanced cars but its good to watch and is good racing for the drivers . if you think the japanese were doing well with 700 hp in the early 70s look what they were doing on the other side of the world .porsche 917.30 1500hp from 5.4l
GTRVspec95
QUOTE (mylexusis @ Jul 28 2009, 06:54 AM) *
the gt 500 are a very different class of car there is no point trying to compare them around a track . our simple v8 super car class might not have the most advanced cars but its good to watch and is good racing for the drivers . if you think the japanese were doing well with 700 hp in the early 70s look what they were doing on the other side of the world .porsche 917.30 1500hp from 5.4l


Not saying there where best in the 70's, as they competed with Porsche 910's back in those days and never got to see the brutality of the 917 which was racing in Le Man.

Post was to illustrate how far behind Australian motorsports is compared to the rest of the world which have open competitions.

Just imagine if they let rotaries race again ph34r.gif
ausgt-r
QUOTE (GTRVspec95 @ Jul 28 2009, 09:45 AM) *
Not saying there where best in the 70's, as they competed with Porsche 910's back in those days and never got to see the brutality of the 917 which was racing in Le Man.

Post was to illustrate how far behind Australian motorsports is compared to the rest of the world which have open competitions.

Just imagine if they let rotaries race again ph34r.gif


I wouldn't say Australia is "far behind" at all, it's a successful championship which is unrivaled in Australia. They are relatively cheap compared to the mega bucks of the SuperGT, don't even compare the two. Different costs, different regulations.

Group A didn't work because of costs and had NOTHING to do with the GT-R dominance. I was one of those blind Group A fans that kept asking for it's return but saw the light, it doesn't work anymore...at least in Australia. Even the coveted DTM series has just the two makes.

The V8's are as popular as ever and it will continue to be that way.
91 silvia style
maybe introducing new manufacturers to the competition will encourage development in the sport... so maybe they will give them more power to play with and bigger engines or maybe even turbos. I guess we will find out by 2012 when hopefully money isnt as much of an issue...I also would not be surprised if the sport was bigger then NRL in 3 years...but i think that AFL is quite a way out of there reach in the immediate future...my 2c
GTRVspec95
QUOTE (ausgt-r @ Jul 28 2009, 07:19 PM) *
I wouldn't say Australia is "far behind" at all, it's a successful championship which is unrivaled in Australia. They are relatively cheap compared to the mega bucks of the SuperGT, don't even compare the two. Different costs, different regulations.

Group A didn't work because of costs and had NOTHING to do with the GT-R dominance. I was one of those blind Group A fans that kept asking for it's return but saw the light, it doesn't work anymore...at least in Australia. Even the coveted DTM series has just the two makes.

The V8's are as popular as ever and it will continue to be that way.


Don't get me wrong ... I know that the old R32 GT-R's cost an absolute bucket load to run back in the Group A days; estimated to be around $600,000 per car which was a lot more then what V8 teams had to budget back in those days.

What gets me is the V8 supporters think the V8SC now is able to compete on the world stage because that is all they see, and this plateau which they are happy to sit at.

Some open competition will stir the pot, thou it will be interesting to see what budgets are allowed to get thrown around.

And in terms of the DTM, I believe it was a move from BMW to pull the plug because they where getting benefits from racing in WTCC.
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