hey i was wounderin wat u guys think of pioneer vccs 12" subs?
wow is sellin them 4 $95
i want 2 get 2 12s!
can ne1 suggest ne other good 12's 4 under $150 each & where 2 get them (if u think vccs is no good!)


Thanx

kester

they are shit.. in my opinion they have very poor quality bass.. some seem to like them though...?

the vccs subs are pretty good on the cheap... make sure you dont get a pioneer amp as they arent powerfull enough to run thier own subs.

cheers.

I've got two of those. They are o'rite for the price

ive heard pioneer subs are just average quality.i personally think its worth paying that little extra for some quality gear.picked up a 12' kicker for $160 at jb...think its down to bout $120-130 atm but thats just me & im sure theirs alot better deals than that around.just look around & see what u can afford

I've got one thats been in my car for 2 yrs now. Not too shabby

i got both of my 12" Farenheits for 200 each at GCCS not sure if thed do the same deal as i got an amp aswell, they preform quite well imo as they are about 500 each normally

they are shit man, try keepin away from those. i think you can grab 2 subs for bout 300 at jb easy, just let em know youre gettin 2 of em and they should do ya a deal and tell em your budget aswell.

i have 2x10" pionnner vccs subs cost my bro $99 each and he gave them to me and im running them of a blaupunkt gta4100 720watt 4 channel amp and my mate has a similar set up with 2xkicker 12's gettin same power and my pionners sound alot clearer and go harder than the kickers.

I got a 12" coustic sub powered by a 320W Coustic amp. it cranks hella hard. the sub only costed me $90 and its hard as hell.

thats my 2c worth

I've got one of those exact subs and running it through an older Pioneer 2 channel amp. Sounds awesome. Someone really involved with stereo and high dB would probably notice the difference between Pioneer and say JL Audio but I'm not complaining. To me they sound great! They're a slightly cheaper brand to buy but for the average Joe, they're sick. For serious performance, probably stick with another brand. My advice, buy them. Sounds like a good price and the subs go pretty good. May be best not to run em through a Pioneer amp. If it's your first set of subs, you won't want to get out of your car once they're installed.

Jaycar have got their own sub out and they pump hard out...my mate just got home and i was very impressed...cost him $119 for a 12 inch

im gonna get a 10 inch for the ute...well worth it

t3 is rebadged soundstreem... notice the taranchler (?) logo

hrm neva noticed the the taranchler logo

there OK for that price, just amp them well. id persoanlly save and get alpine

Just be carefull man, for $95 you will get free airs, i promise, u cant find enclosure 304s anywhere anymore, thats an average deal, they have been less than 100 for ages now, if you want to box the subs, dont buy those, cause they are designed to run in a boot full of air, not a box full, they will sound about as good as a pair of 6 inches if you chuck them in a box...

Save for a bit and get the kickers that one guy suggested earlier, make sure what you buy is designed for a box, not free air, unless u plan to run free airs, they are ok for that, still not great.

Hope i have helped, sorry if that confused some ppl

I got my MTX thunders or something like that for about 200 each n they go fucking hard

cheap subs= cheap sound

man check out the crossfire range, thier entry level range will blow ur mind. and a lot of people on here say "my system is mind blowing" with nothing 2 compare it 2 and a couple of years ago i use 2 think my sony 12 was mind blowing, untill i got educated and found a new level of mind blowing.... get my point, some advice can be un founded

the crossfires should only cost 150ish each i think, call al from fist and he will look after u if u mention this site and me (and that goes for anyone else on here as well)

nathan

sub-woofer fuly sic

i have a t3 with a platumin amp and cap. and its gos pretty sweet

I've got 2 Rockford DVC 12" that slam really hard, Dual Voice coil rated at 500WRMS each. Once you heard a good sub you'll never buy a cheap any of the cheap brands like JL, Kicker, Poineer, Sony ect... again. Granted they cost me $600 each I'm looking to offload them atm as I don't have any audio gear in my car anymore, drop me a PM if your interested, only looking for around $200 each.

no offence man but after dealing with rockford i would place them lower in the list than kicker and JL. rockford stuff is gr8 if u like buying sub quality gear, and paying far 2 much for it....

although $200 per sub would be a fair price if they have been looked after...

my bro has 2 12" alpine S tyypes in his car and it hamers

these are some quotes ive heard over the net in my time that are relevant to this thread...

 ITS_a_SONY : what kinda of speakers
Ðöñt_Šhôôt_Šqúirels_69 : Doubly digital


things that shit people that have a clue

Mainstreamers who have only heard of Sony Kenwood Pioneer etc,
and when they hear of brands such as Pheonix Gold, Hertz, Dynaudio, Rockford Fosgate
Boston Acoustics, Focal etc etc, class them as **** just because they have never heard of them.
These people piss me off a shitload.

"Yeah mate, my sony Xplod is the seeekest, shits all over your system"


ppl who say I like all sorts of music and when U play them MnM or Korn,
they say well except for that.

ppl who think I have spent too much and then say my system sounds
awesome

ppl who say yeah sure it sounds great but my mate spent $1500
and its louder.

ppl who have a mate ... "but my mate reckons..."

ppl who say yeah Ill get a good system when I get a good car, like a
decent system doesnt make any car much better, or that they will
have a good car next week

ppl that think if U wait till U got a ferrari and a decent
system that U wont be an old sad dude with a kick ass car
and system, and that ppl will be saying "who is that old sad dude" lol
wont happen.

ppl who think having good tunes is a waste of money but
always wanna travel in your car that has good tunes.

I could go on lol but the list of what gives me the
shits about car audio is yet to find a limit but I dont like car audio.... I love it
peace



dumb ass mates that think they know everything then get cut
down by ppl who know some but not alot (eg. me)


2. People who say "why waste your money on a sound system".

people who look at a sound system and say " err that looks shit, my mates looks way better"

scince when does looks come into how the sound system sounds.

as if you wouldnt go JL
reasonable

... if u can haggle good at JB...for the money JL's r great...and loud!!! at RRP they not so good! Some of u's musnt have heard a w6..??? And i still believe if u atlest spend $200 on a sub u can get it soundding good!! I won 2 SQ comps with a sub i payed $150 for, had a pressed metal frame, Polyprop cone and a single smallish magnet!!! power and $$$ will only get u a little bit of the way there... enclosure design and type will have the biggest effect on bass reproduction and wether it sounds like ass or not

U just have a head start if u use good components!!!

DD's i think their name is, can get 190dbs from 2 subs

u can get BOSS 12" 600w for brisbane car sound

shit sorry for $89 lol my bad

Actually i dont even care because i already know that your lieing. Unless of course you can give me details on a few things:

What Frequency did these subs pull 190 DB at
What wattage did they perfom it at
How were they tested and where.
and id also like some proof of this.


the worlds biggest mobile sub-woofer pulled 157DB at 11Htz @ 5,700WRMS
the driver was 60" in diamater and use the back of a semitrailer as the enclousure.
Total rated power was 90,000WRMS



also google is your friend:

http://www.ci.vancouver.wa.us/health/hearing1.htm
What About Decibels?

Intensity of sound is measured in decibels (dB). The scale runs from the faintest sound the human ear can detect., which is labeled 0 dB, to over 180 dB, the noise at a rocket pad during launch. Decibels are measured logarithmically. This means that as decibel intensity increases by units of 10, each increase is 10 times the lower figure. Thus, 20 decibel is 10 times the intensity of 10 decibels, and 30 decibels is 100 times as intense as 10 decibels.



So i don't know how 2 subs make a noise louder than a Rocket being launched into space.

I think if you are after a really low budget stereo go for it. In my old car i had 4 x boss audio subs and two amps got them for $610 all brand new from brisbane car sound and it sounded alright for a cheap system had 124db in vr commy.

If i ever get enough money i would like to go alpine. But some of us can't afford the more expensive audio gear so have to make do with what we can get for cheap.

Here's a pic of my old setup that cost well under $1000 and sounded alright.

It shits me when people all say buy this shit and buy that shit it all comes down to how much money you have to spend and personal taste. If you like the pioneer vccs subs and don't have much money i say go for it.

i want new stereo gear too. Wtf whould u get ??? too much choice

The plain facts are, i set my single, enclosed vccs 12" up with an older model pioneer analogue amp, and it clearly out sounded
my mates 3 (Three) Rockfords two years agoand still to this day. If you can't get them to sound good, you haven't set it up properly.
But for that price they will be free air subs which = shit. They dont make the enclosed ones any more but shop around coz someone might still have one or two.

try the pg octane r's for around 170 each, or even the old qx's, im not a big fan of big electrical companies' car audio side, except jvc and jbl, their higher end i can vouch for.. but with pioneer kenwood and sony i think they use their in home reputation to sell car audio