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someblackguy
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Japan today released truly shocking GDP data for the fourth quarter of 2008, the Japanese economy contracted by 3.3% which equates to an annualised rate of 13.2% which is on par with magnitude of contraction that is associated with an economic depression. All exporting countries are experiencing a crash in exports which fell by 14% in the quarter, as western consumers stop buying and start saving. Japans industrial plunged by nearly 10% in December 2008, down 20% on the year earlier.


Japans government is expected to respond to the economic crisis by announcing a further stimulus package of more than $200 billion as the government again attempts to fight against the deflationary spiral that has kept Japan in depression for approaching 20 years.

The collapse in the Japanese economy is ironic in a way as Japan in the same vane as many other asian countries was not exposed to U.S. subprime mortgage derivatives on the same degree as western banks, which during 2008 had given life to the argument of decoupling between the east and the West, however the exact opposite seems to be occurring with the asian exporting countries being hit harder than the consuming countries.


sure, recession we're hearing a lot of and trying to avoid but an all out depression is a frightening prospect.

and as our biggest export destination what will that mean for us?

on the flipside though it may be a good time to get import jap cars.

ROCK ON

DAL~32
fishman86
$200 billion stimulus package doesn't sound particularly large considering close on $50 billion is about to be injected into the Australian economy.

I'm no economist but i'd expect $200 bil to do stuff all to an economy the size of Japan's/
rexnfx
my mate was living there for a coulpe of years and only just come back. he was saying japan, unlike china, is a very conservative country and are very slow to make changes in accordance with the world industry. that is the cause of their failing economy. they have a strong work ethic and its not uncommon to see the average japanese working a 60 hour week. even though japan has a reputation for quality products, china is constantly evolving and improving their products to match japanese quality. on top of that chinas competitive pricing is already overwhelming japan. what are they to do? as far as i know they dont have natural resources. they dont have cheap labour. maybe tourism can bail them out. id hate to be in japan right now.gloomy days to come.
71BBY
QUOTE(rexnfx @ Feb 18 2009, 03:50 PM) [snapback]1283600862[/snapback]

my mate was living there for a coulpe of years and only just come back. he was saying japan, unlike china, is a very conservative country and are very slow to make changes in accordance with the world industry. that is the cause of their failing economy. they have a strong work ethic and its not uncommon to see the average japanese working a 60 hour week. even though japan has a reputation for quality products, china is constantly evolving and improving their products to match japanese quality. on top of that chinas competitive pricing is already overwhelming japan. what are they to do? as far as i know they dont have natural resources. they dont have cheap labour. maybe tourism can bail them out. id hate to be in japan right now.gloomy days to come.


Ok, having worked for a three large Japanese corporations and also visiting their head offices in Tokyo and Osaka, I can honestly tell you that they hire two staff members for every one we would have doing that same position over here. Meaning - two people there doing one person's job here, yet they DO put in the ridiculously long hours (I am talking office workers here). It always did my head in, which is why I ended up throwing in the towel on working for them about 10 years ago now, as it seemed like they lack efficiency. During the day at work I would hear everyone say how 'busy' they were but then sit and read the paper for a bit, or run around making cups of tea, or even shuffling papers at their desk.

This is my personal experience though and I only worked for the Japanese for about 8 years or so, so things may be a little different now....but I highly doubt it.
Damone
QUOTE(someblackguy @ Feb 18 2009, 03:29 PM) [snapback]1283600736[/snapback]

sure, recession we're hearing a lot of and trying to avoid but an all out depression is a frightening prospect.

and as our biggest export destination what will that mean for us?

on the flipside though it may be a good time to get import jap cars.

ROCK ON

DAL~32


I thought that china was our biggest importer ?
Mr.B
QUOTE(Damone @ Feb 18 2009, 04:13 PM) [snapback]1283601014[/snapback]

I thought that china was our biggest importer ?


It is.
fishman86
QUOTE(71BBY @ Feb 18 2009, 03:58 PM) [snapback]1283600907[/snapback]

Ok, having worked for a three large Japanese corporations and also visiting their head offices in Tokyo and Osaka, I can honestly tell you that they hire two staff members for every one we would have doing that same position over here. Meaning - two people there doing one person's job here, yet they DO put in the ridiculously long hours (I am talking office workers here). It always did my head in, which is why I ended up throwing in the towel on working for them about 10 years ago now, as it seemed like they lack efficiency. During the day at work I would hear everyone say how 'busy' they were but then sit and read the paper for a bit, or run around making cups of tea, or even shuffling papers at their desk.

This is my personal experience though and I only worked for the Japanese for about 8 years or so, so things may be a little different now....but I highly doubt it.


I have heard similar rumblings for a few people who have actually lived and worked in Japan for a number of years.

Their biggest concern was that in Japan there is the whole 'respect' culture. Employees are rarely sacked or diciplined for below par performance as this would be seen to be disrespectful to the employee and their family. They then need to hire someone who actually does the job properly. Of course it is rare that ideas are submitted to management because it is not their place, and of course this works on the flip side that when technology or methods become obselete they are reluctant to consider new ideas and methods, lest it offend the brains behind the original idea!

In the end it just snowballs into an ungainly, inefficient mess.

I have no first hand experience in the Japanese way of life, but i have heard similar viewpoints from more than one expat.
Sti-SG9
Very troubling news...

Japan may be in a "depression" but it will be one of the first countries to bounce back.

Japan has a very large amount of cash in the pocket as does China, so while it is suffering due to massive drops in exports, it can fund its stimuli from its reserves without having to devalue the currency...

The other edge of the sword is that while it doesn't need to spend, it has to because the yen is so strong against pretty much everything else and this is only exacerbating the problem because a strong yen = falling profits when the money is changed back into yen from the traded currency.

Japan is basically in a no win situation right now because it is so heavily dependent on export and the relative strength of Yen is pivotal to the profits that the company and in turn, the country make... sad.gif
someblackguy
QUOTE(Damone @ Feb 18 2009, 04:13 PM) [snapback]1283601014[/snapback]

I thought that china was our biggest importer ?


sorry, biggest EXPORT partner

QUOTE(Sti-SG9 @ Feb 18 2009, 05:42 PM) [snapback]1283601748[/snapback]

Very troubling news...

Japan may be in a "depression" but it will be one of the first countries to bounce back.




japans ability to bounce back will be limited by how much the western countries bounce back first.

worrying times, i was going to holiday there this year unsure.gif
MoneyPower
Its interesting to note, 2% of the working Chinese population have lost their jobs in recent months. For those of us who are uneducatied, 2% of China's population is over 20 million people, or the entire living Australian nation to put it another way...... scary thought,...
Belgarion
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mikeambler
Almost all countries are experiencing a sharp drop in their GDPs -- hence most are declaring themselves in a recessional or depressional state. Japan is no exception. REXNFX is right in saying that the trouble with Japan is that it is very conservative and is "slow to make changes in accordance with the world industry".

I hope they remedy that soon. I have faith in the Japanese -- they are very hardworking and resourceful.
Anchor
Asian boobs always fix a depression.

*NWS* http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8780/nonamenew.gif
Sti-SG9
QUOTE(Anchor @ Apr 21 2009, 05:11 PM) [snapback]1283938940[/snapback]

Asian boobs always fix a depression.

*NWS* http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8780/nonamenew.gif


Anchor, fuck off outta here with that.

She's not even asian...
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