i hope this is no one from on here.. if it is you must have a death wish

thats awesome

dude thats fucking dangerouse not awesome

its awsome

hahahahaha, refer to my post just before on my picture thread. the dude in orange is Bamas and the other guy in the back is Storm.

Its pretty silly standing there, we are always told NOT to stand there.

The only place that i'd consider standing on is the apex of the previous corner, as it is really slow and you can watch the drivers lines and if they are taking the right line i approach the corner.

But yeah its pretty silly, but not once have i seen an off on that corner as it is the pit corner.

only takes once

Exactly.



^^ This is the track, the red zones are no go zones, green obviously is ok. Pink is where that photo was taken.

You can see the large green zone that i was talking about that allows you to get pretty close.

although matt, i guess you haven't seen this?

*shakes head*

ha, thats crazy, one tyre to the head would stop them from standing
there, head in the camera that close cant see

thats awesome

ha get ya old man attitude out matt.. dangerous shit can be awesome

Until they get hit by a car.. I would have thought the organisers of these events would be more safety aware.

lol all it takes is someone to stand in a dumb spot and seriously hurt or killed and then all orgainses will be forced to cramp down on photographers access meaning everyone else loses out.

I dont want my hobby to be taken away from me cause someone doesnt have some common sense.

thats the difference between professionals and ppl thinking they are professionals..... shit like that causes tracks to crack down on photography. work place health and safety see that pic there goes archy drift days

matt thats what happened up here.... a certain track and a certain person on track under age and in a certain no go spot now cant take photos out on that certain track was other things on that but that was a contribution to the cancel of being aloud out on track not to mention insurance issues . shits me to tears im always telling ppl to move but most just think im being pushy ... when just trying to protect my interestl.

This was more of an "end of year thank you party" than a massive organised event, so it was a little more relaxed aswell in regards to safety and what not.

i know this is not an excuse, but after a big year, everyone was letting their hair down a bit, crazy drivers, crazy photographers

was primarily drivers and sponsors and families etc.
all of whom are aware of the risks attached. so

*shrugs*

but still something happens there they crack down on all the venues.

look at todd wilks crash back in the day heaps of safety issues there that wernt around then cos of it ...

im all for takin photos but fuck no offence these amatuer photogs out there jepardising people doing it for a living have to draw the line somewhere

all it takes is one person to complain to the wphs and its all gone.

same thing happened at willowbank raceway someone complained about the jet dryer for the track had to take it off get it all engineered etc

ppl just dont think of the big picture.

amen dave couldnt of said it better myself

Exactly.

The two fucking idiots above are fucking retarded, would be interesting if the picture was seen by one of the tracks insurance providers, I am sure they would not be allowed to stand there, wind down or not.

Seems to be the difference between two bit and professional in both photography, and event handling.............

I've posted on another photo forum about exactly this. And the person who was in the wrong had the hide to have a go at me for making a point of it to the track marshal.

1. Getting closer doesn't mean you are getting a better shot.
2. Getting closer doesn't make you a fully sick pro
3. Getting closer does put your life at risk
4. Getting closer does put the driver(s) life/lives at risk

Imagine how the driver would feel if he killed you because you were in the wrong spot?


Your first line of defence NEEDS to be a solid wall. ie steel or concrete reinforcement with tyres or sand in front.

Safety is no.1 at the track, especially for photographers, you're already slightly impaired in your vision as your face is hiding behind a camera.

Anyone who thinks otherwise or thinks it's funny or cool needs their head read. simple

There is no safety at that track, full stop.

werd

Ok as i was one of the drivers in this photo i am going to say that yeah it was something which is very dangerous but we had a practise just before that and the whole time i knew exactly what the car was doing and i trusted the other driver completly. this wasnt the first time i have had to do tight doughnuts around a object but if you watch the video most of the time we are a good metre away with only a few seconds we were nice and close.

I dont know what to say about the other photo but i know i wouldnt stand there thats fo sure

even pros can stuff up sticky you know that pretty irisponsable

Takes less than a second for driver error or something to go wrong with the car which will put an end to someones life.

Might as well go back to street racing and burnouts in industrial areas if they continue to keep doing this sort of behaviour. What is with everyone's won't happen to me attitude.

pretty fucking stupid place to be standing full stop. i would hate to see the winge from the people once they get hit and they end up in hospital with large medical bills to pay and they're gear that has been smashed to pieces. people may say they take full responsibility for their actions but the truth is, once they are injured and un able to work for 2-3months we'll see who pursues a law suit.

and too add to it, going back 2 or 3 years i used to make videos and take photos because i was invited to by the event organiser, i was under age but i was very vigilent with where i stood out in the paddock, my very first time i stood a very long way back from the track and i remember dave saying you should go a bit closer but told me the places where it would be pretty safe to do so. i only ever shot from the places pros did.

anopther few people that ruined it for the rest at QR were some people at a certain private day a couple of years ago that were standing right on the apex of the 3-6 course before the turn 6. cars come flying through there and pick that apex up. they would of been made quite a mess of.

i surely hope it wasn't me who made qr stricter on the rules for media because it has made it harder for people who do this for a living

-tyler

nah tyler definatly not you come into photgraphy and analise it and do ur best and not scream out look at me im a pro i think you will find thats why you get more respect than most on here.

then there are the ones that think there the pros in it for the status

I myself don't consider myself no where near professional, but I do want to work my way into doing it as a profession!

That's a pretty retarded place to stand, you've got so much more of the track to stand, yet, they stand right where you aren't supposed to.


It'll only be time until someone gets seriously injured and it will be questioned even more to where photographers are able to stand.

there is that group that think the know what they are doing and dont, but think im a party pooper for saying move etc.

casey jarad bamas reaper just to name a few all good intention of takin pics but concequences are huge

I agree with what has been said, it is also an education thing.
having spent the last 11 years in the automotive trade and just cracking
the big 30 this year i decided it was time to get serious about photography as a full time job hence getting my website up and running.
my biggest thing is not knowing all the ins and outs of the industry.

Has any one thought of taking people under their wing so to speak to show them what and what not to do. this may have happend all ready
just a thought

wouldnt want to cut my own grass by getting someone to help then they go out on there own have ur contacts and there goes half your work.... not something i want to do

Fair point Dave

especially when ppl are willing to work for nothing these days

edit: also someone shouldnt have to tell u not to stand in a spot like that. Should jsut be common sense.

yeah but it isnt it practical common sense not to stand so close to cars that are in fact out of control?

"professional" photography, or for what its worth, is becoming a joke these days. too many n00b's trying to make a name for themselves and risking a lot in the meantime

and to be frank, ive seen the photographers work and think its very average.

I understand what you mean about doing it for nothing, I myself am just starting out, do you professionals think it's not right for me to be offering my work for free to get some exposure? Not being smart here, would be something to look at!

im far from professional but it depends, i did at first but i dont now unless its for a good cause. But i also dont care if i make money or not as i have a day job.

Offering to take pictures of your mates car and stuff like that yes (then posting the results on a fourm), but for an advertisement in a magazine i dont think so, even for a photo credit (photo credit gives u next to no exposure). if ppl can afford to put a ad in a magazine they can afford to pay for a photo. I get quite alot of ppl who have asked for quotes for photos for advertisments in mags and 90% have decided that they will just use a free photo, with a credit from some other person cause they dont want to pay what i charge, even for a better picture.

But saying that the best exposure i have get is from posting my photos on forums... thats how i got work with autosalon and hopefully it will result in more next year. but what works for me may not work for u.

The above post was not intended to help me out in any way, it was to ask the question if any body would be willing to help out the noobs ?
edit: my coment on the ins and out of the industry was not ment about comonsense things like the picture that started all this. Thanks for you opinions on my work

IMO If your into photography for the money, you're doing it wrong.

of course theres a few exceptions like justdave that does it for a living, but i do it for fun, i enjoy doing it and i dont mind doing stuff for free. ive been taking photos properly for 3 months, i DONT think im pro, i DONT think im great, but it's all about the learning curve.

I have alot of fun doing it, as instead of watching from the sidelines as all my mates drift and race, im participating as well, and they all love seeing their photos and are really apreciate me giving them pics, thats what makes it great for me.

I agree that that spot is stupid, and some people dont think of the safety, im guilty for standing in a stupid spot for all of 3 passes, then i realised what i was doing and swiftly moved, RANMOD and Kane can back that up for me!

and dave, lol at

i wonder who that was aimed at.

yeah i knew it was just a question... Me personally ill help someone as ppl have helped me, but when some trys to leech everything u know and doesnt try to work something out for themselfs i then stop helpping.

I appreciate feedback on my photos from people like yourself matt, also Neal (TUN35) always gives me harsh feedback which is good, and i really appreciate it as it gives me some idea of what im doing wrong.

thanks dave i appreciate that comment.

i just find it funny that all the people who used to cover the drift days in qld do not anymore. i think the new guys have the same intentions like everyone else about wanting to get good, but go about it the wrong way by buying basic gear and after 3 months go and spend 4 or 5 grand on new gear because its what the pro's use. 30,40,50d's with L glass isn't going to take better photos it'll give you more potential, but its the person, who takes a good photo. i know everyone knows this but they get caught up in looking the part. well thats what i think.

im still using my 350d i bought in 2005 with my 70-300is and 18-55 it does what i need it for. its still as good as it was when i bought it. ill upgrade my glass before the body

-tyler

white lenses look awesome though!

im not going to argue they do but ive never justified spending 2+grand on one when i wasn't going to be able to make my photos any better, maybe now i have half an idea i would benefit from it but i have bigger things to waste my money on these days haha.

upgrade when you need to>not cause you can..... is my arguement

-tyler

yeah, well, i bought my 70-200 cause i had no zoom lens, and the one i wanted was 1k at the time for the standard canon one.... then for 500 more i could have gotten 2.8 + white and more badass.

then my 400D was tired as shit, with 100k actuations and the 18-55 had AF problems, so i bought a 40D for 1k brand new and a tamron 2.8 17-50 for mega cheap.

+ im not spending money on cars for a while and this is good to spend on hahahaha.

Created a new thread so as to remove pro talk away from photographer stupidity

personally i think people giving free photos is shit ... yeah u might want to do it in the process you are bringing the value of all the professionals work down if the clients can get it for say $15 a cd of all the images of there cars and the going rate ( industry standard ) is $100 then the businesses think the pics are only worth $15 then next time dont want to spend the industry rate to get the pics and just brings the value down for you when you do make it to the industry.

fucks me off really same with people that say oh ill cover this for $100 and then end up providing shit work best off just taking pics and figure what you are doing than whoreing urself out when u think eg jayrad for eg 2000 for lense 1000 for body plus fuel or whatever.... there is 3000 not including everything and ur giving ur time and shots for $15 fuck that ! or for free.

Another way to look at it is this (and this is how i see it)

If you offer your services too cheap or free you will always be seen as that.. the cheap option. The person who is happy to be taken advantage of and who rips themselves and the actual_working_pros off.


Fuck being known as that! I always quote clients with an accurate and fair price. certainly never under priced. In doing so I have had no negative comments with regard to being too cheap and only a couple of too expensive comments.
Some people don't understand the value in photographs i guess.


BTW.. new thread for this haha

So, its not about the money for me.

I have a very well paying job that i do during the week, and i ENJOY doing photography at all motorsports events, thats why i do it.

I recently applied for a nightclub photography job, NOT because of the money but because i want to experience new things, and i want to learn new stuff instead of just shooting cars.

and oh, so THAT's what you edited in my thread, you removed my cd thing?

Hey, its ok, i've sold 4 off secretdrift!

Jayrad give it 6 months and when u get better u will change ur views

15$ is an in justice to urself... when u want to spend 7g on a 300 f2.8 u will go fuck i wish i charged more for my photos.... the money i make gets invested back into my equipment

Also everyone will know u as the 15$ man, ur skills will get better and u will want to charge more but u wont be able to as ur clients expect if for 15$

Lets get this back on the topic of safety shall we lads.

This is one reason I've refused to shoot at archie, I just don't see it being a safe place to shoot at all! I cannot believe where those two guys are standing :S but i have to believe due to photo evidence