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Yeah I know heaps of guys with LS1's (both HSV and Holden) and I can count on one hand how many of them have had problems with theirs.

Our group of mates all have HSV's (2 VTII's, 2 VX's, 1 VY) and none of us have had any problems with oil consumption and the only thing to speak of is that one of the VX's has a bit of piston slap for the first few seconds when started cold.

The problem with the GENIII is that they're such a compact / powerful engine that the tall poppy syndrome cuts in and all of a sudden people that wouldn't know an LS1 if they fell over one have an opinion on them (always negative).

I've owned heaps of cars, 4, 6 and 8 cylinder and I'll say two things.

1 - The aussie V8 is an excellent robust engine, but it's hard to get big numbers out of it. (They sound 1000 times better than the best LS1)

2 - The LS1/GenIII is extremely efficient and really easy to big horsepower out of with very few mods. (If only you could get the Aussie V8 Note out of it!)

Very true comment there. Only problem is in this country the price of performance work is utterly herendous.

My engine cost be near on $40,000 for the 427, and it made 445rwhp. Now I have them made in the U.S. sent over here and sell them with nearly 100rwhp more for $14,000. I feel as guilty as hell doing it but the prices this country charge for engine building is just not economically feasible to do. I want the average family man with his wife and two kids to be able to afford a performance family car. He should be able to use it as a daily transport for the family but yet then give it a wash on Saturday morning and head off to the drags in it for the day. Put the caravan on it and fill the boot with luggage and head off on their anual vacation. What average family man paying off a mortage with a wife and two kids can afford to buy a new SS and pay another 40g for a 7.0ltr engine and then all the drivetrain bits to hold it together? Not to many that's for sure.

I'm a fan of HSV but they seem to have gone away from the hard raw performance edge they first built their reputations on. I'm sorry to anyone that owns a GTS but $95,000 is a bloody lot of money for a bodykit, seats, wheels, brakes and an extra 80kw. I just can't see the $45,000 price hike over an SS that's all. HSV have gone more company executive in their approach to building cars and they don't seem to cater to the hard core performance enthusiast anymore and it is a real shame. $215,000 for a 7.0ltr Monaro please come on that was just ludicrious. Like I said, to anyone that owns a GTS please don't take that personally I just strongly feel that you should be getting better value for your dollar that's all.

well said. thats why i have a vt ss. goes hard but i take care of it 4 years old and only 30 000 on it. 20 were in the first year alone.

if that was towards me, i didnt want a shitfight im just experessing an idea...i like the fact that a little engine can make huge horsepower, if you dont like it I dont care.

and yes that s14 was driven on the streets here in australia...some import shop owner bought it. I have the article here...

I dont care if its a 4 , 8, 12 or 16, turbo, supercharged, running n20 or some alcohol as fuel, if its puttin the power to the ground I respect it...and what that guy with the gen3 did was awesome.

Anyway, im not a straight line person anyway...as somoenes msn name once said "Straights are for fast cars, corners are for fast drivers"

Cheers Jun

...and a whole bunch of shares in Shell or BP

Good to see some huge numbers daily driven and pulling hard times. Nothing is more annoying than the "dyno queen" calls that get bandied about a bit too generously.

All you guys talk about V8's and Turbo 4's...

but what about 3's??

Hahahaha. 3 cylinder's. Get someone to pump some horsies out of that!

Rick i totally agree with on everything you've mentioned! People just dont realise the power these things can put out. I've got a video of an SS commie that has had extractors, exhaust, and a bit of cam work and it did a 12.2 run. It was a manual also!

My mate zack (u may have seen his plates on his calais) has made almost 100Kw (at the wheels) improvement from just a cold air induction, stainless exhuast/extractors, computer work, and a new afm...

Do those mods to a normal 4 or 6 cylinder and you'll be lucky to pick up any more then 50rwKw

yea tells you that you need $200 bucks a day to put fuel in the thing

Oh yeah there actually quite good.

They would get at least 500km to a tank.... quite easily

Back in those days F1 used to use what they termed grenade engines for qualifying which would only last 3 or so laps before they would die (much like many modern small capacity turbo engines today )

Sorry this is going back a few days, but what sort of fuel consumption would you be expecting out of an engine with that sort of capacity. I absolutle agree with you in the fact that having all of the above would be somthing i'll be aspiring to but on the same note where to draw the line. How much is too much fuel. obviously when you using 20ltrs for 100km's is excessive, but what would this do. I would be very interested in knowing what all the specs are.

i beleive a lot of the reason why they stuck with the old motors (2 valver pushroders) was to do with marketing
money was also a big factor to think about aswell

but when Chev designed the LS1 why didnt they go with the quad cam 4valve/cylinder that basicly every other new engine on the road is?
Marketing
when you look at the intended field that they are selling these cars too (NEW!) they are generally people who are getting a bit (35+ sorry to anyone of that age!). these are people from the old school. Alot of the V8 boys cant see any reason to get rid of there Holley 650 or two and go EFI or think that going overhead cam looses power and torque

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