Nathan, as i have just seen that the site advertiser is advertising radar detectors,
shouldn't have an issue talking about them as the sight doesn't mind advertising them
So continued chat from the below thread that was closed
http://www.boostcruising.com/forums/index....07#topicoptions
if local darwin mods have a issue, can u please find out how we discuss a advertised product on the website??? maybe speak to the website higher mods before u close this thread and get there decision, as i find it unfair that we can't discuss the product pros and cons
thanks
Full Version: Radar Detectors
it's only illegal to fit and use them up here so i agree with you lars, why can't we discuss them ?
QUOTE(VLCT WALKY @ Oct 16 2007, 01:18 PM) [snapback]1281535461[/snapback]
Nathan, as i have just seen that the site advertiser is advertising radar detectors,
shouldn't have an issue talking about them as the sight doesn't mind advertising them
So continued chat from the below thread that was closed
http://www.boostcruising.com/forums/index....07#topicoptions
if local darwin mods have a issue, can u please find out how we discuss a advertised product on the website??? maybe speak to the website higher mods before u close this thread and get there decision, as i find it unfair that we can't discuss the product pros and cons
thanks
The advertised product can be legally used only in WA. I guess that is why it can be discussed elsewhere. Not really relevant to the nt though.
but we should be free to discuss them in the nt as talking about them doesn't mean we have them fitted or want to fit them.
no different to talking about ricer lights mounted under cars... they're illegal too
no different to talking about ricer lights mounted under cars... they're illegal too
or Chris being out after 9pm. Thats got to be illegal but we still discuss that.
What would be the point of the discussion anyway lars?
I had noticed the ads 2 tho and thought it was a bit strange....
Perhaps thats the more pertinent point in this thread... a site the proports not to promote hooning that advertises radar detectors does seem to be working at odds to itself.
I had noticed the ads 2 tho and thought it was a bit strange....
Perhaps thats the more pertinent point in this thread... a site the proports not to promote hooning that advertises radar detectors does seem to be working at odds to itself.
I actually sent a PM to a moderator regarding this topic. I passed on my belief that if we were to ban all conversations with even mentioned something illegal, then we couldn't talk about Ben Cousins and his drug issue (drugs are illegal) , couldn't say we saw some car doing a burnout (burnouts illegal) etc.... see my point!! I did not receive a reply.
On the topic of the radar detectors, yes they are illegal and yes they can be detected! They (detectors) can be very sensitive and pick up signals from a long way away if the ground and atmospheres are good and of course it's on (so if shut down as soon as a signal is seen, there is little possibility of being caught!) Radar signals can also bounce off objects.
And if you are asking how I know.... radar is radar and I've worked with both radars and detectors!
On the topic of the radar detectors, yes they are illegal and yes they can be detected! They (detectors) can be very sensitive and pick up signals from a long way away if the ground and atmospheres are good and of course it's on (so if shut down as soon as a signal is seen, there is little possibility of being caught!) Radar signals can also bounce off objects.
And if you are asking how I know.... radar is radar and I've worked with both radars and detectors!
and yes we DO have 'radar detector detectors' up here...I know because I bought it when I was in charge of Road Safety and it works very very well.
...So since we're on the subject can someone remind me WHY (appart from the obvious lack of revenue that they could cause) they are illegal?
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...So since we're on the subject can someone remind me WHY (appart from the obvious lack of revenue that they could cause) they are illegal?
Haha nice
because the legislation says so. OK so that was a flippant answer.....bottom line is they are there for a purpose and that is to prevent detection when you are doing something wrong ie. speeding. They therefore make the police's job more difficult in detecting offenders which constitutes a 'hinder police' which is an offence. It is no real difference to changing your number plates, putting on a false rego label etc.
A radar detector ( yes some work but with the introduction of laser speed detection devices that operate so much faster and are very precise direction wise the authorities are very in front with technology) you are far better off slowing down and saving you money.
A radar detector ( yes some work but with the introduction of laser speed detection devices that operate so much faster and are very precise direction wise the authorities are very in front with technology) you are far better off slowing down and saving you money.
but if speeding drivers slow down how will government workers make there money??
just joking btw i support nt police (as long as im not the one getting pulled over:P)
just joking btw i support nt police (as long as im not the one getting pulled over:P)
So if there are radar detector detectors do laser diffuser detectors exist? and if so do the NT police have them?
QUOTE(TheHeat @ Oct 16 2007, 07:45 PM) [snapback]1281537025[/snapback]
because the legislation says so. OK so that was a flippant answer.....bottom line is they are there for a purpose and that is to prevent detection when you are doing something wrong ie. speeding. They therefore make the police's job more difficult in detecting offenders which constitutes a 'hinder police' which is an offence. It is no real difference to changing your number plates, putting on a false rego label etc.
A radar detector ( yes some work but with the introduction of laser speed detection devices that operate so much faster and are very precise direction wise the authorities are very in front with technology) you are far better off slowing down and saving you money.
Just seems a bit strange to me thats all. I agree obviously they wont save your balls if your way over the limit anyway.
If I get a spare chance I might check out the legislation tomorrow.
Seems like a very weak piece of legislation.
Say I was curious about what radar waves are passing through the air, surely I have the right to manufacture a device that can detect what waves are in the air....
I suppose marketting a device specifically designed to impede the process of justice could be made against legislation, but not making a radar wave sniffer....
anyway.. all good, was just curious.
In your case above, it may be legal to use a detector when not in a motor vehicle, but don't quote me on that. Different scenario there.
I agree with Mark, it is illegal because it's legislation. Simple as that. The question is why were they made illegal?
It does throw up the argument that the government really do not want to slow people down and rather catch them. What is the main aim of speed cameras? Is a speed camera there to slow people down on the road or to catch the offenders. We hear all the time they are there to slow people down and as a side effect they catch the people who do not slow which results in a revenue.
So the aim is to slow people down on the roads by having speed cameras? Well I pose the question, wouldn't a radar detector slow that person down by the positive response by the detector? Therefore, main goal achieved. Oh hang on, no more revenue! That is just a thought I was having and in no way am I saying it's fully true or partly true, it's just a thought.
On laser diffusers, you do not need to detect it. You can tell! There is a video advert on the net somewhere of a laser disrupter on a car. The person using the laser gun is on an elevation with a great view of the road. The user can lock onto cars from quite a distance. However when the car with the disrupter is targeted, the gun never gets a reading from the car, even when it's almost right on top of it. That's a bit obvious to me that something is not quite right!!
I agree with Mark, it is illegal because it's legislation. Simple as that. The question is why were they made illegal?
It does throw up the argument that the government really do not want to slow people down and rather catch them. What is the main aim of speed cameras? Is a speed camera there to slow people down on the road or to catch the offenders. We hear all the time they are there to slow people down and as a side effect they catch the people who do not slow which results in a revenue.
So the aim is to slow people down on the roads by having speed cameras? Well I pose the question, wouldn't a radar detector slow that person down by the positive response by the detector? Therefore, main goal achieved. Oh hang on, no more revenue! That is just a thought I was having and in no way am I saying it's fully true or partly true, it's just a thought.
On laser diffusers, you do not need to detect it. You can tell! There is a video advert on the net somewhere of a laser disrupter on a car. The person using the laser gun is on an elevation with a great view of the road. The user can lock onto cars from quite a distance. However when the car with the disrupter is targeted, the gun never gets a reading from the car, even when it's almost right on top of it. That's a bit obvious to me that something is not quite right!!
QUOTE(Thumpin' 8 @ Oct 17 2007, 03:04 PM) [snapback]1281539167[/snapback]
In your case above, it may be legal to use a detector when not in a motor vehicle, but don't quote me on that. Different scenario there.
I agree with Mark, it is illegal because it's legislation. Simple as that. The question is why were they made illegal?
It does throw up the argument that the government really do not want to slow people down and rather catch them. What is the main aim of speed cameras? Is a speed camera there to slow people down on the road or to catch the offenders. We hear all the time they are there to slow people down and as a side effect they catch the people who do not slow which results in a revenue.
So the aim is to slow people down on the roads by having speed cameras? Well I pose the question, wouldn't a radar detector slow that person down by the positive response by the detector? Therefore, main goal achieved. Oh hang on, no more revenue! That is just a thought I was having and in no way am I saying it's fully true or partly true, it's just a thought.
On laser diffusers, you do not need to detect it. You can tell! There is a video advert on the net somewhere of a laser disrupter on a car. The person using the laser gun is on an elevation with a great view of the road. The user can lock onto cars from quite a distance. However when the car with the disrupter is targeted, the gun never gets a reading from the car, even when it's almost right on top of it. That's a bit obvious to me that something is not quite right!!
The reciprocal of that is that if you had a radar-detector then you could conceivably hoon around everywhere at mach 1, then slow to the speed limit when you get a warning from your snazzy radar detector, then once you're out of range again gun it up to mach 1 again, breaking the sound barrier, and causing a sonic boom that shatters shop windows. Slows you down momentarily, but not in the long term. The idea of not allowing citizens to know where the radars are is that if you don't know where they are, then you have no idea where you can get away with speeding, and consequently, speeding is more risky (in terms of fines) and you are less likely to break the law.
Road Safety
Oh I totally agree with you. But you are going to get people like that anyway. And how good is the NT news radar detector! They tell you where they are going to be. So some people will do as above anyway.
a little known fact about radar detectors.... some of them also pick up sensors for auto doors fitted to shop fronts. so driving around the cbd you'll find you get a lot of false alarms
QUOTE(Thumpin' 8 @ Oct 17 2007, 03:43 PM) [snapback]1281539370[/snapback]
Oh I totally agree with you. But you are going to get people like that anyway. And how good is the NT news radar detector! They tell you where they are going to be. So some people will do as above anyway.
Without a doubt, agree with you entirely. I'm saying that it's a plausible reason for the legislation outlawing radar detectors. Of course none of us will know what the real thinking behind the legislation was/is.
I guess having the Nt News thingo regarding the locations of speed traps is a bit silly, although I suppose when people see 10 to 20 odd locations of speed traps they may crap their pants and take it easy.
QUOTE(ROLLER @ Oct 17 2007, 06:21 PM) [snapback]1281539854[/snapback]
mmmm
once again it's a product and why can't we talk about it
it's very interesting points up here, the topic was why can't we talk about it when the website sells them
no where in he add does it say for WA people only
anyways hope this will calm the nt mods down a little and let a forum be a forum!
and love your post andy, if that wasn't enough to stand up in court i don't know what is
speed camera's radar guns do not save lifes
even speed limits don't save loves, but make clair bear heaps of money to blow on other stuff
that was what i thought too when the mods closed this thread, i thought there was such thing as freedom of speech in australia but maybe im wrong and how is a a radar detector any different to a police scanner
QUOTE(nathanvlturbo @ Oct 27 2007, 01:38 PM) [snapback]1281567963[/snapback]
that was what i thought too when the mods closed this thread, i thought there was such thing as freedom of speech in australia but maybe im wrong and how is a a radar detector any different to a police scanner
This isn't Australia this is a privately run forum with it's own rules.
I'm not getting into this though.
why bother posting your .05 of a cents worth then
Just so we're all talking about the same thing...
Check out the advert, emphasis is mine, in red, obviously.
Misleading and false advertising if they truly are only available to be used in one state.
Section 53 of the trade practices act.
Check out the advert, emphasis is mine, in red, obviously.
Misleading and false advertising if they truly are only available to be used in one state.
Section 53 of the trade practices act.
QUOTE(gemzu @ Oct 27 2007, 02:18 PM) [snapback]1281567984[/snapback]
This isn't Australia this is a privately run forum with it's own rules.
I'm not getting into this though.
meg read the thread
the other was closed cause of radar dectors and the nt mods having a sook about it
yet the website (u know the privately owned one) advertises them on the website, so that should mean we can talk about and discuss?
or is the website saying, we will take a companies money 2 advertise, but u can't talk about a product we are promoting on our site? seems the website is in a bit of a conundrum hey?
My point was not how the site is run, what should be locked, it was simple to say that while there is freedom of speech in Australia the forum moderators here do not have to abide by the freedom of speech laws as it is a privately run forum.
Lars you of all people should know that I do not agree with many of the actions undertaken by the moderators here, I just don't feel like being banned so I don't get into that side of it.
Lars you of all people should know that I do not agree with many of the actions undertaken by the moderators here, I just don't feel like being banned so I don't get into that side of it.
QUOTE(nathanvlturbo @ Oct 27 2007, 01:08 PM) [snapback]1281567963[/snapback]
that was what i thought too when the mods closed this thread, i thought there was such thing as freedom of speech in australia but maybe im wrong and how is a a radar detector any different to a police scanner
a police scanner is to pick up the radio transmissions
QUOTE(Salad Fingers @ Oct 27 2007, 02:30 PM) [snapback]1281568132[/snapback]
Just so we're all talking about the same thing...
Check out the advert, emphasis is mine, in red, obviously.
Misleading and false advertising if they truly are only available to be used in one state.
Section 53 of the trade practices act.
directly below the ad....
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ads by google
point is, it doesnt really matter Zmit, it is displayed on this site.
Just because the owners of this forum dont make the adverts doesnt mean anything.
Its just like if i put at the bottom of every post i made
-Posts by Salad Fingers.
That doest disclaim responsibility of the forum owners for the content of my post.
Just because the owners of this forum dont make the adverts doesnt mean anything.
Its just like if i put at the bottom of every post i made
-Posts by Salad Fingers.
That doest disclaim responsibility of the forum owners for the content of my post.
2. Other material that may be considered offensive/illegal will be reviewed on a case by case basis and may result in deletion, warning or banning.
8. The administrator and/or Moderators reserve the right to take any action necessary with posts they deem unsuitable but that do not fall into any condition mentioned in this document. This action rests on the proviso that they post an explanation for their action(s) either on the forum or via email to the poster within one hour of said action and in the case of moderators inform the administrator of their reasons who may review and repeal any actions.
http://www.boostcruising.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2138
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http://www.boostcruising.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2138
I gave up ages ago fighting for ANY sort of fairness on this site.... best thing to do is put up with the mods decisions or don't come around.... on this site they are god, they make the rules, we must follow no matter how the pot calls the kettle black...
well ask the administration if they can tell google to block those ads?
we'll see if that works.
we'll see if that works.
Go try Tim..... all yours 
I gave up ages ago fighting for ANY sort of fairness on this site.... best thing to do is put up with the mods decisions or don't come around.... on this site Devo is god, he makes the rules, we must follow no matter how the pot calls the kettle black... this is how it has been since the dawn of time and forever shall be... feel his wrath!
got in trouble tonight had to come back and fix it....
QUOTE(ROLLER @ Oct 27 2007, 09:59 PM) [snapback]1281569570[/snapback]
I gave up ages ago fighting for ANY sort of fairness on this site.... best thing to do is put up with the mods decisions or don't come around.... on this site Devo is god, he makes the rules, we must follow no matter how the pot calls the kettle black... this is how it has been since the dawn of time and forever shall be... feel his wrath!
got in trouble tonight had to come back and fix it....
NT Traffic Regs
27. Interfering with traffic infringement detection device
(1) A person must not unlawfully tamper with, interfere with or cause damage to a traffic infringement detection device.
(2) A person must not unlawfully interfere with the operation of a traffic infringement detection device.
(3) A person must not drive a vehicle that has in it or on it a device for preventing the effective operation of a traffic infringement detection device.
(4) A person must not drive a vehicle that has in it or on it a device for detecting whether a traffic infringement detection device is in operation in the vicinity of the vehicle.
(5) A person commits an offence against subregulation (3) or (4) whether or not the device in or on the vehicle is in use.
(6) If a member of the Police Force believes on reasonable grounds that a person has, or a vehicle is fitted with, a device that is intended to be used in contravention of this regulation, the member may seize the device for the purposes of tendering it in evidence in a prosecution of the person.
(7) If a person is found guilty of an offence against this regulation, the court may order a device seized under subregulation (6), or a device used in the commission of the offence, to be forfeited to the Territory.
So you can buy one but, when you pick it up from the post office you can't drive home with it, even if it is still in it's box.
Also it appears that a cop would be able to seize it from you if he was standing next to you at the post office when you picked it up. That is if he believes on reasonable grounds that you are going to use it for no good. Which is obviously why you purchased it in the first place.
27. Interfering with traffic infringement detection device
(1) A person must not unlawfully tamper with, interfere with or cause damage to a traffic infringement detection device.
(2) A person must not unlawfully interfere with the operation of a traffic infringement detection device.
(3) A person must not drive a vehicle that has in it or on it a device for preventing the effective operation of a traffic infringement detection device.
(4) A person must not drive a vehicle that has in it or on it a device for detecting whether a traffic infringement detection device is in operation in the vicinity of the vehicle.
(5) A person commits an offence against subregulation (3) or (4) whether or not the device in or on the vehicle is in use.
(6) If a member of the Police Force believes on reasonable grounds that a person has, or a vehicle is fitted with, a device that is intended to be used in contravention of this regulation, the member may seize the device for the purposes of tendering it in evidence in a prosecution of the person.
(7) If a person is found guilty of an offence against this regulation, the court may order a device seized under subregulation (6), or a device used in the commission of the offence, to be forfeited to the Territory.
So you can buy one but, when you pick it up from the post office you can't drive home with it, even if it is still in it's box.
Also it appears that a cop would be able to seize it from you if he was standing next to you at the post office when you picked it up. That is if he believes on reasonable grounds that you are going to use it for no good. Which is obviously why you purchased it in the first place.
Theres nothing in there about painting your car matt black and making it look like a stealth bomber is there..........?
QUOTE(ITSSWAR @ Nov 1 2007, 06:12 PM) [snapback]1281586459[/snapback]
Theres nothing in there about painting your car matt black and making it look like a stealth bomber is there..........?
Na Mythbusters tried it already Click here
Busted
Time for this thread to be put to sleep.
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