Full Version: Got My Celica
I finally got my celica and thinking about an engine to upgrade to. For more power but not to heavy. Any ideas
A nice built 18RG would be good. NA power!!
Or a 3SGTE.
Or a 3SGTE.
18R-G's (and 2T-G's) are getting a bit difficult to get performance parts for. 22R's have parts available due to their prominent use in the U.S., but I don't know that they'd be worth the effort.
It really depends which direction you want to take.
I'd go with RBNT's second suggestion - 3S-GTE for the win!!!
Of course, it would be better if you got a bit used to the car before you start thinking about engine swaps. The 18R that's in there now will get you places quick enough with the small modifications it's had (cam, carb, exhaust).
It really depends which direction you want to take.
- 3S-GE (2.0L inline four) - high revving (up to about 8,000-8,500rpm depending on version) naturally aspirated power. 220hp from the factory in the BEAMS blacktop version - $5,000 for an engine and six-speed gearbox in this version, sometimes more. You could get an MR2 version with about 170hp and connect it to a Corona gearbox & bellhousing. It'd be cheaper, but probably not worth the money or time.
- 3S-GTE (2.0L inline four turbo) - good turbo power - up to 255hp from the factory (ST205 version), and apparently good for 450-500hp on standard internals.
- 3RZ-FE (2.7L inline four) - Hilux engine. Comes with tough 5-speed manual gearbox. Roughly 145hp in standard form, but these engines are built up in the U.S. for HUGE horsepower. You'd probably spend a fair bit modifying it though.
I'd go with RBNT's second suggestion - 3S-GTE for the win!!!
Of course, it would be better if you got a bit used to the car before you start thinking about engine swaps. The 18R that's in there now will get you places quick enough with the small modifications it's had (cam, carb, exhaust).
Way way way back in the day there were a heap of 2t's making good hp. Excellent motor!
That's why I've got a 2T. 
Sort of...
Mine's actually a 13T, which is the same as a 3T, but with a slightly different head and 0.5 lower compression (8.5:1).
I've got a 2T-GEU head for it though, which will provide DOHC and a compression drop to about 8.0:1. I've got an EFI setup (computer, loom, throttle body, injectors, and manifold) on it's way from NZ, and to make up for the compression drop I've got a 4A-GZE SC12 supercharger.
A guy called Tim Frost put an SC12 on a 2T-GEU, and went from 70rwhp to 130. Thanks to the extra capacity of the 13T (1770cc vs. 1588cc), as well as the extra boost that I plan on running, I'm hoping to see 170-180rwhp. Should be fun in a car weighing under 1000kg.
Sort of...Mine's actually a 13T, which is the same as a 3T, but with a slightly different head and 0.5 lower compression (8.5:1).
I've got a 2T-GEU head for it though, which will provide DOHC and a compression drop to about 8.0:1. I've got an EFI setup (computer, loom, throttle body, injectors, and manifold) on it's way from NZ, and to make up for the compression drop I've got a 4A-GZE SC12 supercharger.
A guy called Tim Frost put an SC12 on a 2T-GEU, and went from 70rwhp to 130. Thanks to the extra capacity of the 13T (1770cc vs. 1588cc), as well as the extra boost that I plan on running, I'm hoping to see 170-180rwhp. Should be fun in a car weighing under 1000kg.
Sounds like a 350 would fit the bill.
He said he wants an engine, not an anchor.
sr20,
1gg as my mate guy did,
13bt
or a rb30et
1gg as my mate guy did,
13bt
or a rb30et
Seen just about anything and everything stuffed into these shells ...
What hasn't been added to the list ...
4A-GZE - 1.6 supercharged / convert to turbo
1JZ-GTE / 2JZ 'no shit' GTE - Just remember to wear your seat belt ...
or
1UZ-FE ... with twin turbos - It has been done before
What hasn't been added to the list ...
4A-GZE - 1.6 supercharged / convert to turbo
1JZ-GTE / 2JZ 'no shit' GTE - Just remember to wear your seat belt ...
or
1UZ-FE ... with twin turbos - It has been done before
ls1
my usual answer
my usual answer
QUOTE(VLCT WALKY @ Aug 16 2007, 01:21 PM) [snapback]1281339487[/snapback]
sr20,
1gg as my mate guy did,
13bt
or a rb30et
SR20 is a good option
1G-GTE's fit, but are getting pretty damn old, and aren't that great a motor (they're okay, but not great)
13B-T is getting boring - too many cars seem to be converted to rotaries.
RB30-ET
QUOTE(GTRVspec95 @ Aug 16 2007, 01:26 PM) [snapback]1281339505[/snapback]
Seen just about anything and everything stuffed into these shells ...
What hasn't been added to the list ...
4A-GZE - 1.6 supercharged / convert to turbo
1JZ-GTE / 2JZ 'no shit' GTE - Just remember to wear your seat belt ...
or
1UZ-FE ... with twin turbos - It has been done before
4A-GZE isn't worth doing - you may as well stick with the 18R or drop in a 22R (which would bolt straight in).
1JZ & 2JZ are too big to do without modifying the firewall
1UZ-FE would be fine without forced induction. Forced induction + 1UZ-FE = INSANE!!!
Go the 1UZ-FE and maybe a small shot of gas to start with then a couple of hairdriers after you upgrade the diff and rear tubs whilst putting in the cage 12" slicks 9" four ling with Afco coil overs oh and a new sterio
/\ /\ /\ Seriously though, a 3S-GTE is all you need, and a relatively simple conversion - you've already got the right gearbox, you just need a bellhousing from an ST141 Corona. Get the engine mounts changed to suit the 3S-GTE, whack in a subtle front mount intercooler, and aim for a high-13 quarter mile. That'd be plenty!
why has only 1 person mention 4agze converted to turbo!!!!!! cheap, lightweight, tough as nails....
second daniels opinion. ancullen just thinks there shit cause he cant get his to run decent and keeps breaking it. 4AGZE FTW here. HTT has one in stock too.
Nothing wrong with the 4A-GZE - I LOVE the 4A-GZE, it's the KE55 that holds it in place that's the problem 
. The reason I'd suggest not bothering is because the RA28 that Andrew has purchased comes with a W50 gearbox. So to put in a 4A-GZE, he'd either need to purchase a A-W bellhousing (eg. Dellow 
) or change the gearbox mounts to suit a T50 (Sprinter/Corolla gearbox).
The 3S-GE/3S-GTE option kicks arse because the gearbox is already the right type, therefore not requiring holes to be cut in the transmission tunnel, and a standard Toyota bellhousing can be used. Simple? Yes. And the 3S-GTE has WAY more power potential than even a 4A-GTE. A super strong, VERY well built 4A-GTE can make about 550hp - a 3S-GTE with the same money and mods would be closer to 700hp.
. The reason I'd suggest not bothering is because the RA28 that Andrew has purchased comes with a W50 gearbox. So to put in a 4A-GZE, he'd either need to purchase a A-W bellhousing (eg. Dellow ) or change the gearbox mounts to suit a T50 (Sprinter/Corolla gearbox).The 3S-GE/3S-GTE option kicks arse because the gearbox is already the right type, therefore not requiring holes to be cut in the transmission tunnel, and a standard Toyota bellhousing can be used. Simple? Yes. And the 3S-GTE has WAY more power potential than even a 4A-GTE. A super strong, VERY well built 4A-GTE can make about 550hp - a 3S-GTE with the same money and mods would be closer to 700hp.
The Question that nobody has asked.....
What will it be used for?? Just street use or some form of motorsport??
What will it be used for?? Just street use or some form of motorsport??
Last time I chatted with Andrew about it it was only for street.
Well then, i'd turbocharge a 3RZ-FE.
Good relaibility, and even 200RWHP in something like this would be hell fun
Good relaibility, and even 200RWHP in something like this would be hell fun
3S-GE, 3S-GTE, or 3RZ-FE (with turbo) FTW!
Not worth the expense really - it'd only take it up to about 200hp at the engine.
I would think that a turbo kit could see closer to 300hp for the same money.
I would think that a turbo kit could see closer to 300hp for the same money.
Put a 13b Turbo into it.
Well there go RED01. Just about every motor known to man is what you should be looking at.
rb26dett
toysan
toysan
Brap brap brap brap brap.... phsssttttttttttttt
Go rotor as there is no other motor..
Go rotor as there is no other motor..
5L
3RZ if you want to keep it toyota and it has huge capacity for a 4 cyl
Mick from tuned automotive was running one turboed with no internal mods but a pipe come off the waste gate and that made it run not so good i have pics but i can't find them.
Last time i went to brissy jamboree i saw this car from ARE http://www.are.com.au/Big%20HP/grunter.htm
really bloody impressive to make 780+rwhp from a 2.7 hilux engine
Mick from tuned automotive was running one turboed with no internal mods but a pipe come off the waste gate and that made it run not so good i have pics but i can't find them.
Last time i went to brissy jamboree i saw this car from ARE http://www.are.com.au/Big%20HP/grunter.htm
really bloody impressive to make 780+rwhp from a 2.7 hilux engine
3RZ's are HUGE engines though for a 4cyl, physically huge.
Far taller deck height than almost any other 4cyl engine from a car.
It will not fit in a celica without serious mods, ie, dry sump and reverse cowl bonnet.
Far taller deck height than almost any other 4cyl engine from a car.
It will not fit in a celica without serious mods, ie, dry sump and reverse cowl bonnet.
thats some good reasoning there for the 3sgte. Seems to be a much easier path to go down.
hey redo, was that your celica at taminmin today?
ls1 or injected 5L ftw!!!! theres no substitute for cubic inches!! lol but for cheap and easy conversion id got the 18rg...there awesome motors..ive had 2 18rc's and there bullet proof hey and make all right power..i had one in my ra40 celica it went ok for stock
QUOTE(ROLLER @ Aug 16 2007, 06:47 PM) [snapback]1281340833[/snapback]
Brap brap brap brap brap.... phsssttttttttttttt
Go rotor as there is no other motor..
Rotor drivers dont like head
Thats all that need's to be said.
I have a number of them in my shed.
QUOTE(Salad Fingers @ Aug 16 2007, 09:06 PM) [snapback]1281341058[/snapback]
3RZ's are HUGE engines though for a 4cyl, physically huge.
Far taller deck height than almost any other 4cyl engine from a car.
It will not fit in a celica without serious mods, ie, dry sump and reverse cowl bonnet.
Hmm, I didn't think about how tall they are.
QUOTE(MADcunz @ Aug 16 2007, 09:38 PM) [snapback]1281341182[/snapback]
thats some good reasoning there for the 3sgte. Seems to be a much easier path to go down.
Easier and with HUGE potential.
I have a good 3SGTE halfcut for sale that was for a similar celica conversion, PM me for more details!
That's a 2nd Gen 3S-GTE isn't it? Or was it a 3rd Gen?
SW20 I'm pretty sure, AWD gearbox. Top mount water to air intercooler, CT26 Turbo etc
NA SR20. Save squilions.
QUOTE(SLDEWYZ @ Aug 17 2007, 01:19 PM) [snapback]1281342820[/snapback]
SW20 I'm pretty sure, AWD gearbox. Top mount water to air intercooler, CT26 Turbo etc
If it's got an AWD gearbox then it's out of a Celica GT-Four. And the water-to-air intercooler further backs this up. It must be out of either an ST165, ST185 Carlos Sainz Edition, or ST205. No MR2 ever came from the factory with a water-to-air intercooler.
QUOTE(Chris @ Aug 16 2007, 09:48 PM) [snapback]1281341335[/snapback]
hey redo, was that your celica at taminmin today?
Yep
So would this be good for my car
3stge sounds good
I wouldn't mind taking it on the track either.
QUOTE(ancullen @ Aug 17 2007, 08:34 AM) [snapback]1281342110[/snapback]
Hmm, I didn't think about how tall they are.
They arent that tall, with a modifyed sump( which would probably be the case anyways) i believe it would fit under.
But for a cheaper conversion the 3S-GTE would be the way to go.
So what exactly would i need and how much $$ should i spare roughly
That depends on how much a halfcut or engine package would cost, which workshop you get the work done at, what goes wrong during the process.....
Go and chat to one of the workshops to get an idea of all this stuff.
Go and chat to one of the workshops to get an idea of all this stuff.
QUOTE(GT500 @ Aug 16 2007, 08:47 PM) [snapback]1281341018[/snapback]
3RZ if you want to keep it toyota and it has huge capacity for a 4 cyl
Mick from tuned automotive was running one turboed with no internal mods but a pipe come off the waste gate and that made it run not so good i have pics but i can't find them.
Last time i went to brissy jamboree i saw this car from ARE http://www.are.com.au/Big%20HP/grunter.htm
really bloody impressive to make 780+rwhp from a 2.7 hilux engine
your missing a bit of info
he plus the engine didn't last that long being standard and all, (mind your most probably from the boost spike)
it did have a custom inlet manifold custom exhuast manfold injectors blah ecu garret core,
so not exactly cheap, plus a gt35/40 on it
QUOTE(NO4BANGER @ Aug 16 2007, 10:58 PM) [snapback]1281341478[/snapback]
ls1 or injected 5L ftw!!!! theres no substitute for cubic inches!! lol but for cheap and easy conversion id got the 18rg...there awesome motors..ive had 2 18rc's and there bullet proof hey and make all right power..i had one in my ra40 celica it went ok for stock
substitute for cubic inches, the 2 engine you just put up are crap, and 1.3's up 2 3ltres make more power
It's a TA celica right? so find a 3T-GTE and bolt it in, wire it up and sort the fuel system. No cutting, no changing of mounts or nothing. Bit old, but if you find a healthy one and you drive it sensibly it should last for ages and provide a fair bit of poke. Or check out what the Puerto Ricans do with the 3T-C motors once they've strapped a turbo to them. 
Should be able to find one and everything you need for under $2000.
From Toymods:
So my price was slightly off, but eh thats rebuilt and shiz.
here to contact the seller: http://www.toymods.net/forums/showthread.p...highlight=3TGTE
Good luck.
Should be able to find one and everything you need for under $2000.
From Toymods:
QUOTE
have for sale my 3T-GTE.
I bought the engine off toymods some time ago out of sydney. The engine was in very good condition and is low kay.
The engine was totally rebuilt with all new ACL bearings and new gaskets. It is running a 2TG head, has a standard 3T-GTE turbo manifold and steel wheel single entry ct-26 turbo. (great condition)
It is also running a 2TG Efi Intake setup, with RX7 550cc injectors that I had reconditioned (new pintle caps) and flow tested.
It comes with a lightened flywheel, (5.9kg), a holden pressure plate and either choice of clutch plate to suit a t series box or w series box.
Ignition will have to be sorted, either CAS or elec dizzy. At the moment it has the dummy dizzy blank fitted from the 3T.
I am looking for $2500 for it.
Any questions feel free to ask.
Rob.
I bought the engine off toymods some time ago out of sydney. The engine was in very good condition and is low kay.
The engine was totally rebuilt with all new ACL bearings and new gaskets. It is running a 2TG head, has a standard 3T-GTE turbo manifold and steel wheel single entry ct-26 turbo. (great condition)
It is also running a 2TG Efi Intake setup, with RX7 550cc injectors that I had reconditioned (new pintle caps) and flow tested.
It comes with a lightened flywheel, (5.9kg), a holden pressure plate and either choice of clutch plate to suit a t series box or w series box.
Ignition will have to be sorted, either CAS or elec dizzy. At the moment it has the dummy dizzy blank fitted from the 3T.
I am looking for $2500 for it.
Any questions feel free to ask.
Rob.
So my price was slightly off, but eh thats rebuilt and shiz.
here to contact the seller: http://www.toymods.net/forums/showthread.p...highlight=3TGTE
Good luck.
Why not try a honda s2000 engine you won't have as much insurance trouble as a turbo car the engine is extremely powerful out of the box and hard to improve on.
It may cost a bit to begin with but you won't need to do any thing to the engine apart from an exhaust and really who wouldn't want 9000rpm in a light street car.
It may cost a bit to begin with but you won't need to do any thing to the engine apart from an exhaust and really who wouldn't want 9000rpm in a light street car.
QUOTE(VLCT WALKY @ Aug 20 2007, 04:50 PM) [snapback]1281351576[/snapback]
your missing a bit of info
he plus the engine didn't last that long being standard and all, (mind your most probably from the boost spike)
it did have a custom inlet manifold custom exhuast manfold injectors blah ecu garret core,
so not exactly cheap, plus a gt35/40 on it
substitute for cubic inches, the 2 engine you just put up are crap, and 1.3's up 2 3ltres make more power
Oh it's on like donkey kong now biatch
And you can have you bloody power figures, i'll cross the line with a measily 800 odd ft/lb
QUOTE(Killswitch @ Aug 20 2007, 06:51 PM) [snapback]1281351958[/snapback]
It's a TA celica right? so find a 3T-GTE and bolt it in, wire it up and sort the fuel system. No cutting, no changing of mounts or nothing. Bit old, but if you find a healthy one and you drive it sensibly it should last for ages and provide a fair bit of poke. Or check out what the Puerto Ricans do with the 3T-C motors once they've strapped a turbo to them.
Should be able to find one and everything you need for under $2000.
No, it's an RA28 Celica. Because of this, it would be easier to drop in a 3S-GTE rather than a 3T-GTE. And the 3S-GTE makes WAY more power.
QUOTE(GT500 @ Aug 20 2007, 07:14 PM) [snapback]1281352146[/snapback]
Why not try a honda s2000 engine you won't have as much insurance trouble as a turbo car the engine is extremely powerful out of the box and hard to improve on.
It may cost a bit to begin with but you won't need to do any thing to the engine apart from an exhaust and really who wouldn't want 9000rpm in a light street car.
The 3S-GE BEAMS (from the Altezza) would be a better option. It'd pretty much drop straight in, and it makes 220hp from the factory. The F20C from the S2000 makes another 25hp, but costs a FORTUNE. A 3S-GE can be picked up for about $5,000 with six-speed gearbox and ECU and stuff. The F20C goes for closer to $8,000 from what I've heard, and that's only if you can find one.
RED01 did you get this car off a guy named Moses. I was sharing a pit bay with him at the track day, where he told me he sold it.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought 3S-GTE where all east-west mounted engines, how would you fit it to a RWD celica?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought 3S-GTE where all east-west mounted engines, how would you fit it to a RWD celica?
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